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But why does Blizzard just care about WoW botters and not Diablo botters? I mean Diablo botters have a much bigger impact on the game due to the leaderboards? headscratch.gif
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Because people pay for wow monthly and Diablo is a one and done payment
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My son chris is running some games...open ones free to all. Speed 45s right now...probably all night if he quits it will be because the hardware of the new pc died.
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I have said it before and I will say it again: The bots/botters are not the problem, the lack of captivating content is the problem. The bots gets ~50b/h if set up correctly, and running nothing but GRs. That is still only 15-20% of what you get running speed 74s. The bots are not hard to overcome in exp, any player group with a good meta can do much better in a few hours than a bot can do all day. There is only one thing to do in D3: Run GRs. Everything else is so monotonous, boring, and repetitive, that there is hardly any incentive to grind it.

Anybody up for some yellow/blue only/no paragon Lore runs?
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Originally Posted by inedenimadam View Post

I have said it before and I will say it again: The bots/botters are not the problem, the lack of captivating content is the problem. The bots gets ~50b/h if set up correctly, and running nothing but GRs. That is still only 15-20% of what you get running speed 74s. The bots are not hard to overcome in exp, any player group with a good meta can do much better in a few hours than a bot can do all day. There is only one thing to do in D3: Run GRs. Everything else is so monotonous, boring, and repetitive, that there is hardly any incentive to grind it.
This is baloney.

Botting allows you to farm GR keys when you are asleep and would not be doing anything. That means you can run speed GRs or use those keys to get onto leaderboards. The knock-on effect is that botters get far ahead of players without playing 24/7.

Why don't people see it as a problem I have no idea.
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Botting gets you:

-Extra XP (so Paragon), this is a huge problem - a botting player can often easily have 33-50% or even more damage output just from paragon pumped into Int/Str/Dex (since there is no limit on these) over a legitimate player
-This damage boost allows them to be competitive with much worse gear than a legitimate player
-Some bots collect the legendary drops for you, so you are literally farming items when you are sleeping/afk, now the botter is also finding more/better items than a player who doesn't bot
-Often they also collect Greater Rift keys/DBs which a normal player has to "waste" time collecting, so a botters day is spent equipping his/her new awesome gear and trying to fish for the best Greater Rift while the normal player just "wastes" time collecting things the botter already did overnight.

Basically bots make it impossible for a regular person to compete, sure you may break into the leaderboards but you'll never get anything majorly impressive/near rank 1 if you're not playing what some would say excessive amounts of time each day to keep up with bots (with rare exceptions).

None of those are quite accurate, at least for higher players.

What botting gets you is GR keys for speed runs, so you don't have to waste your valuable play time farming mind numbing T10. When your group is speed farming GR 74, the white mobs have more HP then the RG does on T10. Most people play this game to have fun, and having to do 1/5 of your play time on torment just is no fun. That's why probably 90% of people who play 20+ hours a week are botting.

Blizzard could have solved this by adding more torment levels, and having them scale properly. If we could do torment 30 or whatever GR70 would be, and get 10+ keystones from each run... there would be no need for bots.
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This is baloney.

Botting allows you to farm GR keys when you are asleep and would not be doing anything. That means you can run speed GRs or use those keys to get onto leaderboards. The knock-on effect is that botters get far ahead of players without playing 24/7.

Why don't people see it as a problem I have no idea.

Botting for keys = not farming for EXP, so the exp argument becomes invalid. I don't know about you, but I can finish tX rifts in 2-3 minutes , and have a stack of 100 in about an hour and some change. One day farming rifts keys can keep a non botter supplied for quite a while. The bot is not some miracle that will run GR70 speeds in exp gear for you. It sounds like you just have an issue with bots in general, which is understandable, but not the stance I have on the issue. I have issue with the content being so grossly boring that someone would rather take the time to write a program than grind. The bots are the sysmptom, not the problem. Are there botters on the leaderboard? Sure! Would they still be there without the bot? Sure.
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Let's just all agree that the staff behind D3 are a bunch of incompetent nincompoops who have no idea what they are doing, whether it is balancing the game, improving QoL without feedback slapping them in their faces forever about it, and incapable of good ideas. thumb.gif
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Botting for keys = not farming for EXP
This is false. There is logic:

If you have a BOT farming you GR keys for 6 hours while you sleep, it means you can spend 18 hours using those keys for GR runs, which provide FAR greater XP/hour. If you had to farm your OWN GR keys, you would be using part of those 18 hours you would be in GR to farm them, dropping your XP/hour rate.

How is this so hard to understand? Can I spell it out any more delicately than that?
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Let's just all agree that the staff behind D3 are a bunch of incompetent nincompoops who have no idea what they are doing, whether it is balancing the game, improving QoL without feedback slapping them in their faces forever about it, and incapable of good ideas. thumb.gif



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Originally Posted by inedenimadam View Post

Botting for keys = not farming for EXP
This is false. There is logic:

If you have a BOT farming you GR keys for 6 hours while you sleep, it means you can spend 18 hours using those keys for GR runs, which provide FAR greater XP/hour.

tX=5bn/h
GR74 speeds=300bn/h
you can farm keys for an hour or two and have enough for a few days
Edited by inedenimadam - 10/31/15 at 11:34am
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