Overclock.net › Forums › Video Games › PC Gaming › [Official] Diablo III Information and Discussion Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[Official] Diablo III Information and Discussion Thread - Page 553

post #5521 of 29804
Quote:
Originally Posted by kevindd992002 View Post

So in that case, what is DPS? Is DPS and the Damage that you are mentioning one and the same?

1. DAMAGE = X on HIT
2. DPS = Damage per second average

For ex this could be wrong but its for the Point of the explanation

Lets say Weapon 1 = 10 damage and Weapon 2 = 5 damage both with swing speeds of 1.0.

That means every second or DPS your Mainhand does 10DPS if it was the only weapon you used and your offhand would do 5 DPS if its your only weapon.

Now due to the nature of DW (i did not include the 15% speed ATKspd buff) you have to average your weapons = 7.5.

In this case your MH swings hits for 10 then offhand 1 second later hits for 5 and so on.

I could be wrong but at least this is a decent way to explain how it works. Let me know if that helped tongue.gif


Edit - for Diablo 3 sakes you want to ideally always have two weapons of Same Attack speed and Ideally damage range I think. Actually this is the part I am slightly confused on I know how damage works but the attack speed thing still confuses me a tad.

Special Ability 1 uses 100percent of your weapons damage really means

weapon 1 = 10
weapon 2 = 5
ability hits for 7.5

what you want instead is
weapon 1 = 10
weapon 2 = 10
ability hits for 10
or as close as possible this is why many find it hard to believe that using a far superior MH weapon + Shield can sometimes out damage DW including a not so great offhand weapon.
Edited by nycste - 5/21/12 at 11:21pm
post #5522 of 29804
Quote:
Originally Posted by nycste View Post

1. DAMAGE = X on HIT
2. DPS = Damage per second average
For ex this could be wrong but its for the Point of the explanation
Lets say Weapon 1 = 10 damage and Weapon 2 = 5 damage both with swing speeds of 1.0.
That means every second or DPS your Mainhand does 10DPS if it was the only weapon you used and your offhand would do 5 DPS if its your only weapon.
Now due to the nature of DW (i did not include the 15% speed ATKspd buff) you have to average your weapons = 7.5.
In this case your MH swings hits for 10 then offhand 1 second later hits for 5 and so on.
I could be wrong but at least this is a decent way to explain how it works. Let me know if that helped tongue.gif
Edit - for Diablo 3 sakes you want to ideally always have two weapons of Same Attack speed and Ideally damage range I think. Actually this is the part I am slightly confused on I know how damage works but the attack speed thing still confuses me a tad.
Special Ability 1 uses 100percent of your weapons damage really means
weapon 1 = 10
weapon 2 = 5
ability hits for 7.5
what you want instead is
weapon 1 = 10
weapon 2 = 10
ability hits for 10
or as close as possible this is why many find it hard to believe that using a far superior MH weapon + Shield can sometimes out damage DW including a not so great offhand weapon.

Damn good explanation of how DW is working in Diablo 3.
SixthElement
(17 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-4770k Z87-GD65 MSI R7950 TF3 RipjawsX 8G 1600 CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
OCZ Vertex 3 Western Digital Caviar Black LG DVD Multi / Lightscribe H100 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 7 Ult x64 Samsung 2494SW CM Storm Quickfire Reds Corsair HX750 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
550D G700 XTrac Ripper XXL Onkyo TX-SR804 
Audio
Bowers & Wilkins 686 BookShelfs 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD 1090t 990FXA-UD7 MSI R7950 TF3 TBD 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
Samsung 20G Win 7 Ultimate Corsair CM650 Fractal Design XL 
  hide details  
Reply
SixthElement
(17 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-4770k Z87-GD65 MSI R7950 TF3 RipjawsX 8G 1600 CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
OCZ Vertex 3 Western Digital Caviar Black LG DVD Multi / Lightscribe H100 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 7 Ult x64 Samsung 2494SW CM Storm Quickfire Reds Corsair HX750 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
550D G700 XTrac Ripper XXL Onkyo TX-SR804 
Audio
Bowers & Wilkins 686 BookShelfs 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD 1090t 990FXA-UD7 MSI R7950 TF3 TBD 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
Samsung 20G Win 7 Ultimate Corsair CM650 Fractal Design XL 
  hide details  
Reply
post #5523 of 29804
I finally got a level 60 barbarian. One thing I will say about diablo III, is hell mode is absolutely ridiculous, no matter how good your gear is you can and will be destroyed in a matter of 2-3 secs by elite/champion mobs in act III and IV, there is no way around it, no way to mitigate the damage, its just complete rape. They are severely overpowered/broken and some of them you can't even beat no matter what. If you run into a group of heavy elites with shield + arcane enchantment + health or etc, you basically can't kill them before they kill you, and there is no way to possibly do enough damage to end the fight before they kill you in 3 secs. Even if they stood still with no shield and you had 20k DPS, it would still take you a solid minute of pounding on them to take them down, and there is no way anyone can survive long enough to get that much damage off, and 50% of the time they have an invulnerability shield up to where you do no damage. I dunno you guys do the math, and this is just for hell mode. Inferno would be even more insane. I got a max level character, and I just don't see a point in continuing any further in this game due to things being incredibly broken.

Multiplayer is also pointless unless you are on a team of people who are adequately geared and everyone pulls their weight, because of the way mobs scale up, if lets say 4 people team up and think they can PUG hell mode, they will instead just make the game exponentially harder for themselves.

Normal mode was kinda easy, but hell and inferno are absolutely freaking insane, to the point where its not even worth playing. Because there is no means to an end, and no way to make a godly character that won't fall victim to the broken mechanics of diablo III. My barb has 40k health, and is setup to tank, and I get raped like a school girl in prison by any elite/champion with any elemental attributes. And the way resist scaling works, you get diminishing returns after 50%, and they can eat through 50% resist like its 0% which amounts to me living 4 secs instead of 2 secs. There are no tanks in hell/inferno, considering my definition of tank is something that can take a beating before it goes down, and that means something that cannot go from full health to dead in 2 secs.

This game needs a ton of rebalancing and nerfing before I would consider playing it again.

Also the economy is also broken, to the point where there aren't any other options for players to use it to a real advantage. Prices on commodities for example, crafting essences you get from salvage sell for 10x cheaper than you can just vendor the magical weapon for, and gems are pretty much the same way up until the highest level ones, then they suddenly go from next to free to 300k+. And I predict the economy will be even more broken once the RMAH opens up, then nobody will ever want to trade anything top tier for anything other than real money. And then you are going to have 2 separate classes of players, the ones who got mediocre gear, and the ones who paid real money for top tier gear.
Edited by chaosblade02 - 5/22/12 at 12:04am
post #5524 of 29804
Quote:
Originally Posted by nycste View Post

1. DAMAGE = X on HIT
2. DPS = Damage per second average
For ex this could be wrong but its for the Point of the explanation
Lets say Weapon 1 = 10 damage and Weapon 2 = 5 damage both with swing speeds of 1.0.
That means every second or DPS your Mainhand does 10DPS if it was the only weapon you used and your offhand would do 5 DPS if its your only weapon.
Now due to the nature of DW (i did not include the 15% speed ATKspd buff) you have to average your weapons = 7.5.
In this case your MH swings hits for 10 then offhand 1 second later hits for 5 and so on.
I could be wrong but at least this is a decent way to explain how it works. Let me know if that helped tongue.gif
Edit - for Diablo 3 sakes you want to ideally always have two weapons of Same Attack speed and Ideally damage range I think. Actually this is the part I am slightly confused on I know how damage works but the attack speed thing still confuses me a tad.
Special Ability 1 uses 100percent of your weapons damage really means
weapon 1 = 10
weapon 2 = 5
ability hits for 7.5
what you want instead is
weapon 1 = 10
weapon 2 = 10
ability hits for 10
or as close as possible this is why many find it hard to believe that using a far superior MH weapon + Shield can sometimes out damage DW including a not so great offhand weapon.

This man speaks the truth - I switched from an ill-informed dual-wield setup to a decent one handed weapon and shield yesterday. My DPS increased significantly (not to mention my defense) and so I'm finding Nightmare much easier now.
My System
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
[i7 2600k - 5.XGHz @ X.XXv] [ASUS P8P67 Pro B3] [2x MSI 7970s in Crossfire @ 1125/1650] [8GB G.Skill Ripjaws X 2x4GB] 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
[2TB Hitachi] [Crucial M4 SSD 64GB] [Antec Kuhler H20 920] [Lian-Li BZ BZ-502B] 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
[G.Skill Turbulence II RAM Cooler] [Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit] [2x BenQ XL2410T @ 120Hz] [Razer Lycosa] 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
[Corsair AX1200] [Silverstone Raven RV02-EW] [Razer DeathAdder] [Razer Goliathus] 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
[i7 2600k - 5.XGHz @ X.XXv] [ASUS P8P67 Pro B3] [2x MSI 7970s in Crossfire @ 1125/1650] [8GB G.Skill Ripjaws X 2x4GB] 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
[2TB Hitachi] [Crucial M4 SSD 64GB] [Antec Kuhler H20 920] [Lian-Li BZ BZ-502B] 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
[G.Skill Turbulence II RAM Cooler] [Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit] [2x BenQ XL2410T @ 120Hz] [Razer Lycosa] 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
[Corsair AX1200] [Silverstone Raven RV02-EW] [Razer DeathAdder] [Razer Goliathus] 
  hide details  
Reply
post #5525 of 29804
That is indeed a good explanation of how damage works, thanks for typing that out so I didn't have to. That is pretty much my understanding of it anyhow.
ZulliRig
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel C2D E6600 B2 EVGA 680i A1 Evga 8800GT OCZ 4GB DDR2 800 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD Caviar Black 600 GB NEC DVD-RW Windows 7 Pro 64-bit BenQ V2400W 24" widescreen 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Random Logitech OCZ GameXStream 700 Watt Antec P182 Logitech G700 
Mouse Pad
Razer Destructor 
  hide details  
Reply
ZulliRig
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel C2D E6600 B2 EVGA 680i A1 Evga 8800GT OCZ 4GB DDR2 800 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD Caviar Black 600 GB NEC DVD-RW Windows 7 Pro 64-bit BenQ V2400W 24" widescreen 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Random Logitech OCZ GameXStream 700 Watt Antec P182 Logitech G700 
Mouse Pad
Razer Destructor 
  hide details  
Reply
post #5526 of 29804
What's the best thing to do with low level rare items? How can I get the most value out of them?
Random name
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4930k Asus P9X79 LE ATI HD5850 G.SKILL 4x4gb 2133mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung EVO 840 Seagate Barracuda Noctua NH-D14 W 8.1 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell 24" 1920x1200 Tt eSports Poseiden brown Seasonic X-850 Fractal F4 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech G9x Steelseries Musiland 02 DAC KRK RP5 & Dayton SUB-80 
  hide details  
Reply
Random name
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4930k Asus P9X79 LE ATI HD5850 G.SKILL 4x4gb 2133mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung EVO 840 Seagate Barracuda Noctua NH-D14 W 8.1 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell 24" 1920x1200 Tt eSports Poseiden brown Seasonic X-850 Fractal F4 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech G9x Steelseries Musiland 02 DAC KRK RP5 & Dayton SUB-80 
  hide details  
Reply
post #5527 of 29804
Quote:
Originally Posted by nycste View Post

1. DAMAGE = X on HIT
2. DPS = Damage per second average
For ex this could be wrong but its for the Point of the explanation
Lets say Weapon 1 = 10 damage and Weapon 2 = 5 damage both with swing speeds of 1.0.
That means every second or DPS your Mainhand does 10DPS if it was the only weapon you used and your offhand would do 5 DPS if its your only weapon.
Now due to the nature of DW (i did not include the 15% speed ATKspd buff) you have to average your weapons = 7.5.
In this case your MH swings hits for 10 then offhand 1 second later hits for 5 and so on.
I could be wrong but at least this is a decent way to explain how it works. Let me know if that helped tongue.gif
Edit - for Diablo 3 sakes you want to ideally always have two weapons of Same Attack speed and Ideally damage range I think. Actually this is the part I am slightly confused on I know how damage works but the attack speed thing still confuses me a tad.
Special Ability 1 uses 100percent of your weapons damage really means
weapon 1 = 10
weapon 2 = 5
ability hits for 7.5
what you want instead is
weapon 1 = 10
weapon 2 = 10
ability hits for 10
or as close as possible this is why many find it hard to believe that using a far superior MH weapon + Shield can sometimes out damage DW including a not so great offhand weapon.

Thanks for the explanation.

So what if I had one MH weapon only that does 10 damage and 1.4 attack speed. What is then my effective DPS? It's easy to know the DPS if you have a perfect 1 attack speed but otherwise, I don't know what to think frown.gif
post #5528 of 29804
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThumperSD View Post

What's the best thing to do with low level rare items? How can I get the most value out of them?

my motto so far is if i would use it or did use it i sell on AH for anywhere from 500-2000 and hope for the best, 90 percent of my rares have sold I vendor all blues and crappy rares untill i hit higher lv highest so far is 29 normal. Thats my motto!
post #5529 of 29804
Quote:
Originally Posted by kevindd992002 View Post

Thanks for the explanation.
So what if I had one MH weapon only that does 10 damage and 1.4 attack speed. What is then my effective DPS? It's easy to know the DPS if you have a perfect 1 attack speed but otherwise, I don't know what to think frown.gif

You multiply them. In your case, DPS would be 10x1.4 or 14.
Metal Gear RAY
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7- 5820K ASRock Fatal1ty X99X Killer/3.1 Pascal Titan X 16GB G.Skill RipJaws IV 2666mhz DDR4  
Hard DriveOSMonitorMonitor
1TB Samsung 850 Pro SSD Windows 10 Pro Acer XB321HK ASUS PG348Q 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair Vengeance K70 EVGA Supernova 850w P2 Phanteks Enthoo Luxe Logitech G9X 
Audio
X-Fi Titanium HD 
  hide details  
Reply
Metal Gear RAY
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7- 5820K ASRock Fatal1ty X99X Killer/3.1 Pascal Titan X 16GB G.Skill RipJaws IV 2666mhz DDR4  
Hard DriveOSMonitorMonitor
1TB Samsung 850 Pro SSD Windows 10 Pro Acer XB321HK ASUS PG348Q 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair Vengeance K70 EVGA Supernova 850w P2 Phanteks Enthoo Luxe Logitech G9X 
Audio
X-Fi Titanium HD 
  hide details  
Reply
post #5530 of 29804
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evo X View Post

You multiply them. In your case, DPS would be 10x1.4 or 14.

Thanks.

I also found a good explanation here: http://www.diablo3team.com/?p=159

And for the final DPS (taking into consideration buffs, debuffs, etc.), I read that you can see it by hovering your mouse over "Damage" on the details section of the inventory screen. Hope that helps smile.gif
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: PC Gaming
Overclock.net › Forums › Video Games › PC Gaming › [Official] Diablo III Information and Discussion Thread