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if 'Julian' is in here... I declined your invitations cause I was already in a game, and it would not lemme msg you as you are not on my list. You can add me if you would like, as it may be hard to catch me a moment i am online but not playing.. I'm leveling/farming with 3 characters.
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I agree somewhat that inferno's items shouldn't be so much better then hell. I think there should be a few rare mods that only happen in inferno, and maybe d3's tyreals might, but other then that most stuff should drop in hell. I think inferno players should have the rare potential for a reward, but it shouldn't be needed by any means.

Does anyone who how hard the secret level is, in normal compared to act 2 nightmare? I've got all the mats to make the staff, just need the 50k now. Hopefully someone buys my crap on the AH while I'm at work xD.
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remember all the people saying that act 1 inferno keeps dropping lv 50-55 gear? that's the kind of problem i'm talking about. If the game is indeed in the direction of having hell being the endgame and inferno as a bonus challenge, one condition HAS TO BE MET : the quality of gear drop in at least act 4 of hell has to match every single act in inferno
but that condition is not true.
Don't get me wrong, if you're lv60 at act 4 in hell, if you farm patiently enough, you're bound to get something decent, items that rolled the dice the correct way if you know what I mean, at least enough to carry you to inferno, but no one will argue that inferno has better loot, or at least a better chance in getting good loot, yes?
I really want to believe in the argument, but if loot is indeed superior in inferno, what proof can you give others to convince them that inferno isn't a continuation of the farm fest? People just go where the good loot goes, now all they see is that no matter good their gears are they still get 1-shot, 2-shot, of course they are unhappy.
If hell doesn't have the best item drops, the equal drops as in inferno, it cannot be the endgame, or at least you cannot expect regular players to treat it as so. Just the way I look at it.

Inferno is endgame imo, hell is not. I disagree with inferno act 1 dropping a bunch of low level gear. Maybe if they are farming the wretched mothers or are really really really unlucky... I farmed the imprisoned angel - the cursed hold (leaving out the butcher since my gear was very lame when I started doing this) to make my first million and got a bunch of level 60 items (mainly blues and yellows, but I did get my first legendary doing this too, a lv 59 1 handed sword).

If Hell dropped the same loot as Inferno, Inferno players would become as rare as hardcore players - why would I bother making it harder for myself when there is no additional reward? (unless you consider showing off that you can do the challenge a reward). I personally don't find Inferno insanely hard (apart from the stupid invulnerable minions trait), however I have no experience with the melee classes in it, so if it is mainly the melee classes complaining it's too hard (since they get hit easier), then maybe their classes need a buff instead of the whole difficulty getting a nerf.
Edited by Sainesk - 6/2/12 at 11:09am
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Does anyone who how hard the secret level is, in normal compared to act 2 nightmare? I've got all the mats to make the staff, just need the 50k now. Hopefully someone buys my crap on the AH while I'm at work xD.

To me, it seems as the first 2 are on par with act 1 of the level after it... if you do ok in NM act 1, you should be ok with the Normal level Whimsyshire. Hells doesn't scale up as difficult as the 1st pair, it seems to be on par with mid act 4 hell - it's definitely not inferno hard. also, if you were wanting a preview before dropping cash, I don't have a problem making a portal for you to check it out.. just gotta find me when I'm not busy.
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Whimsyshire is such an expensive and time-consuming trip frown.gif

Normal difficulty:
- Black Mushroom: got it on first playthrough in normal difficulty
- Leoric's Shinbone: same as above
- Liquid Rainbow: Made 40+ attempts to find the merchant, he only spawned 2 times (there was no mystical chest the first time)
- Gibbering Gemstone: Cave of Frost only spawned 2 out of 9 attempts (I heard it had a 50/50 spawn chance?), luckily I found Chilltara on the second lvl2 visit
- Wirt's Bell: 100k
- Plan: 5 Izual runs, after a while you know the possible dungeon layouts smile.gif
- Crafting: 50k

Total: +2h spent searching and 150k gold

Nightmare difficulty:
- plans: 1 gold
- Crafting: 200k o_O

Seriously, how many (pony) trips to NM Whimsyshire does it take to regain my 350k investment?
Edited by Sybr - 6/2/12 at 1:17pm
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^This.

Saving up for the plans, but is it worth the investment?
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While I am really enjoying the game - just started inferno, I really don't like the direction they have took it in. It is pay to win of sorts. Also item farming was alot more fun in diablo 2, since the stats are silly random. Also most items that drop are 5-10 levels below you.

It seems like the built it around the auction house, there is a thread over on the forums where people have noticed that if you give your item to another character and get him to identify you will get better stats for your other, it seems like they make the stats against your class so you have to go to the ah.
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Whimsyshire is such an expensive and time-consuming trip frown.gif
Normal difficulty:
- Black Mushroom: got it on first playthrough in normal difficulty
- Leoric's Shinbone: same as above
- Liquid Rainbow: Made 40+ attempts to find the merchant, he only spawned 2 times (there was no mystical chest the first time)
- Gibbering Gemstone: Cave of Frost only spawned 2 out of 9 attempts (I heard it had a 50/50 spawn chance?), luckily I found Chilltara on the second lvl2 visit
- Wirt's Bell: 100k
- Plan: 5 Izual runs, after a while you know the possible dungeon layouts smile.gif
- Crafting: 50k
Total: +2h spent searching and 150k gold
Nightmare difficulty:
- plans: 1 gold
- Crafting: 200k o_O
Seriously, how many (pony) trips to NM Whimsyshire does it take to regain my 350k investment?

a normal Nightmare run for me nets 20k+ after selling to merch. i have terrible luck with drops though, so you might make more. less than 20 should gain it back. go on and grab the hellish staff, and youre at 30k+ a run, plus equip you MIGHT use, even got an orange from there.
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^This.
Saving up for the plans, but is it worth the investment?

For Inferno yes otherwise no. Most drops from inferno ponyland give better gear than act 3/4 inferno. Theres really no point of doing it pre inferno if you are trying to farm cause most demand/profitable items are level 60 items
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For Inferno yes otherwise no. Most drops from inferno ponyland give better gear than act 3/4 inferno. Theres really no point of doing it pre inferno if you are trying to farm cause most demand/profitable items are level 60 items

Do I have to buy each staff in order (Buy plans for Nightmare, then I can buy plans for Hell, etc)? I'm guessing you don't have to have the previous difficulties staff to get the current difficulties?
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