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who has the path to diablo on inferno ready? If you wouldn't mind giving me a ride just to pick up the herdingstaff plans.. smile.gif

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If Hell dropped the same loot as Inferno, Inferno players would become as rare as hardcore players - why would I bother making it harder for myself when there is no additional reward? (unless you consider showing off that you can do the challenge a reward). I personally don't find Inferno insanely hard (apart from the stupid invulnerable minions trait), however I have no experience with the melee classes in it, so if it is mainly the melee classes complaining it's too hard (since they get hit easier), then maybe their classes need a buff instead of the whole difficulty getting a nerf.

Because inferno serves only as a true challenge for the best of the best players who requested a challenging mode in D3. (according to that 1 argument)

I carefully listed my logic based on the discussion happened roughly 20 pages before, you could go back and check. In short, people's been complaining that inferno is way too hard, and its not just the challenging kind of hard, its hard in a stupid way because theres no way you can dodge some of those elite packs with the awful combinations of their abilities and so on. All the dodging and unavoidable deaths makes it stupid in inferno. And then another group of people was claiming that inferno should not serve as the final part of the farm fest (the endgame), so if it's too hard one should stay out of it and continue to farm in Hell.


I'm kind of with you on the reward idea, but to interact with the argument i would put it as "if there is extra reward in inferno, who would stay in Hell even if they can't do inferno?"

Food for thought tongue.gif
Edited by HarrisLam - 6/2/12 at 7:39pm
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Because inferno serves only as a true challenge for the best of the best players who requested a challenging mode in D3. (according to that 1 argument)
I carefully listed my logic based on the discussion happened roughly 20 pages before, you could go back and check. In short, people's been complaining that inferno is way too hard, and its not just the challenging kind of hard, its hard in a stupid way because theres no way you can dodge some of those elite packs with the awful combinations of their abilities and so on. All the dodging makes it stupid in inferno. And then another group of people was claiming that inferno should not serve as the final part of the farm fest (the endgame), so if it's too hard one should stay out of it and continue to farm in Hell.
I'm kind of with you on the reward idea, but to interaction with the argument i would put it as "if there is extra reward in inferno, who would stay in Hell even if they can't do inferno?"
Food for thought tongue.gif

I personally do not consider Hell end game, so let's through that argument out between us. biggrin.gif Here is the way I personally brain it. Hell is your normal bachelors degree. People go to college and graduate, then spend the rest of their lives derping around in their occupational ponds. Other people, seeking additional more highly specialized and value educational experience go to graduate school and get a phd and then derp around in their respective occupational ponds. Eventually the people who grind or gold farm in Hell will be able to find/buy gear that allows them to rise up to Inferno. thumb.gif
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Hardcore? Nice. What is your HP, armor, and resists?
he mentions it in the comments

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I personally do not consider Hell end game, so let's through that argument out between us. biggrin.gif Here is the way I personally brain it. Hell is your normal bachelors degree. People go to college and graduate, then spend the rest of their lives derping around in their occupational ponds. Other people, seeking additional more highly specialized and value educational experience go to graduate school and get a phd and then derp around in their respective occupational ponds. Eventually the people who grind or gold farm in Hell will be able to find/buy gear that allows them to rise up to Inferno. thumb.gif

somewhat.

The major difference, however, is that keep trying and dying in inferno puts no noticeable penalty on the player, that's why everybody has been trying even though they think it's stupid, they have to because the best loot is there, wheras in real life, life situations will give MASSIVE penalty to people who keep pursuing higher education but keep failing.

It's free to try in diablo, in real life the situation is.....cleaner.

But yes, as I've said in my first reply to this discussion, the condition hasn't been met for "hell is endgame" to be true. If inferno really is intended to be a mere challenge, I would hope blizzard to change the loot structure as soon as possible. At this moment, inferno is just a continuation of the difficulty ladder without the help of extra stats and skills.
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But yes, as I've said in my first reply to this discussion, the condition hasn't been met for "hell is endgame" to be true. If inferno really is intended to be a mere challenge, I would hope blizzard to change the loot structure as soon as possible. At this moment, inferno is just a continuation of the difficulty ladder without the help of extra stats and skills.

Inferno scales 4-5x the original difficulty of end-game hell so, that's actually an unfair statement.

Right now, my DH stands at about 35k dps, 30khp and decent resists...There are elite packs that I don't even bother with because they're actually impossible for me to beat.

Diablo 2 was the same way until you hit 99 and found a new way to change your 1 trick pony...For Sorc's it was Hydra...For Barbs it was battlecry...So on and so forth.

Here, in D3...Your 1 trick pony is about to get beaten, hard.

I think of inferno as endgame...And as someone thoroughly bashing their head against act 2, one I greatly enjoy...

It is a challenge...and end-game...
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Inferno is challenging but all these places you can farm bliz just nerfs them left and right, come on you need to be level 60 to enter inferno but they steadily lowered quality of drops. I've been getting lvl 50 items in act 3 and act 4 of inferno. They purposely made it so you have to have NV to get better mf, you need to kill champs to get NV then 5 stack + mf gear and you have a chance to get "good/decent" drops. Hell even the champs are harder than the bosses, my new hated monster skill is spell reflect and then have 3 minions who are invulnerable. The faster you dps them, the faster you die, I know people will say oh you're just complaining because of the "challenge" lol try inferno, not act 1 but act 2-4 and then say that its a "challenge" lol broken game is broken but I still play it tongue.gif spearmen killing me through the wall? *rages* lol You guys do know why commodities are down, they say they're fixing it but pretty much they're waiting for RMAH before they open it.

edit: give it 10 patches before they get it all right tongue.gif
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im gonna get flamed but IDC, the game is super broken and complete crap compared to d2 especially since when you compare the graphics they are barely better than d2 10 years later and its all about the auction house. and everything the guy above me said also. act 1 inferno is ez but you get like 0 good drops almost and act 2-4 is just stupid most of the time since you get 1 shotted. I played the heck out of it for awhile but honestly. it's just lame!
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