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Speedtest.net does not give very useful data for what we're talking about. It just gives you how your internet performed to download a small file... it might even give you the highest transfer speed over that time, and not the average. Due to Comcast's speedboost, a vast majority of their scores are artificially inflated.
I have a 22mbps plan from comcast. Speedtest puts me around 30. When I download a file from usenet, I can see the actual second by second bitrate... it goes from 2000KB at the lowest to 4k at the highest (when it first starts, speedboost), generally jumping around from 2k to 3k, giving me an average of 2600 KB/s. My upload is only 3. some on speedtest... I haven't uploaded much stuff or looked at the real numbers I'm getting, but the dips on the upload could be fairly shocking at how low they are I bet. The dips are whats causing the lag.

With the Nginx base and new high concurrence rps's ~ Upload matters more and more...

Every single time my client asks me to call Charter, I genuinely feel ridiculous because I already know the answer I'm about to get and here's a company paying top dollar for their best package...With a 3mb up...The saddest part is that, they're not alone...Not by far.

Cox/Charter will tell you quite abruptly; you're not guaranteed an upload speed at all, in fact, it's even in your contract that "upload speeds will vary"...A down? Yes but, an upload speed? Not in the least...Not anymore.

Using Arena-Net as an example...How many of you beta'd GW2 and felt the lag? ~ Another game with a demanding "upload requirement" is SWTOR...

We're in the year 2012 and the technology is expanding faster than our ISP's...That's the genuine root of the problem...

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Almost 3,000,000 tests is a good sample. It's not perfect but it's not the worst in the US. You're basically claiming that almost everyone with lag issues must be their ISP. If that was the case, and I say this because I work at Comcast, we would have a lot more calls. But it's not.
Just because your clients have terrible internet doesn't mean everyone else does. Your business is getting ripped off if they only get 2.2mb for that price. Even the second lowest speed offered by Comcast is more than enough to play a crap game like Diablo 3.

I'm not saying EVERY SINGLE D3 issue is the fault of the client...But, overwhelmingly, I'd bet you, that their upload dipped and the void is stagnating user end recovery.

There's overwhelming evidence to support that...Especially with the past 3/4 MMO releases and the clients that have complained about disconnects/lag...

You'll find their common denominator, is the ISP...In almost all cases...

When I was in Austin, overwhelmingly we had problems with Charter, Cox and Comcast BECAUSE of their lack of upload...In fact, that's very well documented in the SWTOR thread...And on SWTOR's website...

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sounds like patch 1.03 went live already?
hmm... eager to go home and give my DH a swirl to see if there's any difference

Yes it's live.

My complaints are very limited, TBH...The difficulty of act 2 was scaled down a lot and I've already seen 63 ilvl blues...

Overall, I'm content but, the change to nether IMO, wasn't warranted...Bleh.
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So you guys think I should start finding some +vit on my DH, with these repair bills going up so much I don't think I could cover my lag deaths (can only get 3 MB wi-max), let alone my derp ones when I am not lagging. Or should I go back to my barb (finished act 2, baller right?)?

I depends on what is killing you. I feel like all resist goes further on my Wiz. At the same time, blizz has never liked glass cannon, and will continue to make it less viable.
 
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With the Nginx base and new high concurrence rps's ~ Upload matters more and more...
Every single time my client asks me to call Charter, I genuinely feel ridiculous because I already know the answer I'm about to get and here's a company paying top dollar for their best package...With a 3mb up...The saddest part is that, they're not alone...Not by far.
Cox/Charter will tell you quite abruptly; you're not guaranteed an upload speed at all, in fact, it's even in your contract that "upload speeds will vary"...A down? Yes but, an upload speed? Not in the least...Not anymore.
Using Arena-Net as an example...How many of you beta'd GW2 and felt the lag? ~ Another game with a demanding "upload requirement" is SWTOR...
We're in the year 2012 and the technology is expanding faster than our ISP's...That's the genuine root of the problem...
I'm not saying EVERY SINGLE D3 issue is the fault of the client...But, overwhelmingly, I'd bet you, that their upload dipped and the void is stagnating user end recovery.
There's overwhelming evidence to support that...Especially with the past 3/4 MMO releases and the clients that have complained about disconnects/lag...
You'll find their common denominator, is the ISP...In almost all cases...
When I was in Austin, overwhelmingly we had problems with Charter, Cox and Comcast BECAUSE of their lack of upload...In fact, that's very well documented in the SWTOR thread...And on SWTOR's website...
Yes it's live.
My complaints are very limited, TBH...The difficulty of act 2 was scaled down a lot and I've already seen 63 ilvl blues...
Overall, I'm content but, the change to nether IMO, wasn't warranted...Bleh.

Funny part about GW2, I didn't feel the lag this past weekend because they actually care unlike Blizzard.

If the gaming lag is the ISPs fault, why can I play WoW just fine but when I had D3 it lagged pretty bad? Same goes for my friends on battle.net as well. They had different ISPs but it was the same problem D3 was laggy and WoW was not.

I don't know about Charter, but with Comcast you will get those speeds even though they aren't guaranteed. If not, we hear about it and we fix it.
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Yea, well when each death is around 5k now the benifits of being a glass cannon are clearly overshadowed.
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Funny part about GW2, I didn't feel the lag this past weekend because they actually care unlike Blizzard.
If the gaming lag is the ISPs fault, why can I play WoW just fine but when I had D3 it lagged pretty bad? Same goes for my friends on battle.net as well. They had different ISPs but it was the same problem D3 was laggy and WoW was not.

Wow requires a margin of @ 50kb...

I could literally and moderately effectively play WoW on my phone...That's how little of a stream, it actually requires...Could play effectively with 1 bar.

This isn't WoW based on a 2001 Apache/Unix mesh...This is a NEW game server with NEW technology...

I'll take the GW2 comment as a compliment, thanks but, the first beta event was very bad...More buffer still necessary IMO...

Don't compare anything to WoW, or Everquest ~ It's a terrible, terrible comparison and any IT knows that.
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Funny part about GW2, I didn't feel the lag this past weekend because they actually care unlike Blizzard.
If the gaming lag is the ISPs fault, why can I play WoW just fine but when I had D3 it lagged pretty bad? Same goes for my friends on battle.net as well. They had different ISPs but it was the same problem D3 was laggy and WoW was not.
I don't know about Charter, but with Comcast you will get those speeds even though they aren't guaranteed. If not, we hear about it and we fix it.

I thought it was pretty well known that a lot of the newer games are more taxing on client upload... is this not the case?

Edit: too slow.
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And D3 requires very little bandwidth as well.

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And D3 requires very little bandwidth as well.
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When that was done in the beta, assets were stored client-side not server-side.

They're now stored server-side...So, that entire experiment is invalid...

Just sayin.
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Wow requires a margin of @ 50kb...
I could literally and moderately effectively play WoW on my phone...That's how little of a stream, it actually requires...Could play effectively with 1 bar.
This isn't WoW based on a 2001 Apache/Unix mesh...This is a NEW game server with NEW technology...
I'll take the GW2 comment as a compliment, thanks but, the first beta event was very bad...More buffer still necessary IMO...
Don't compare anything to WoW, or Everquest ~ It's a terrible, terrible comparison and any IT knows that.

Sorry but there's no way Diablo 3 can saturate upload enough to lag that hard for so many people. The simple fact is that Diablo 3 needs a lot of work. There's people from all ISPs that have issues with that.

All of our internet speeds can handle Diablo 3.
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Sorry but there's no way Diablo 3 can saturate upload enough to lag that hard for so many people. The simple fact is that Diablo 3 needs a lot of work. There's people from all ISPs that have issues with that.
All of our internet speeds can handle Diablo 3.

I don't understand how someone can work at an ISP and not understand this.

The game, the entirety of the game, isn't client-side...It's server-side.

It's on a Nginx/Apache base that's routed through AT&T.

I mean, do I have to request you re-take the network + cert?

Client-side/Server-side fluxes are literally within the first 10 pages of the manual.

You're actually processing the entire game server-side so more data cap. is required...

I got nothin at this point, though...For real.

You're on your own moving forward...I genuinely feel, for any IT, this is pretty much, common sense...

It's like using PCOIP and dropping your signal below retention...Wow.
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