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The main reason life steal or w/e sucks is because by the time you actually need any stat besides main stat + vit you are in inferno. And in inferno life steal is reduce to 30%? or 20%? Im not sure exactly but its absolutely pointless to have.

something like that, indeed, it's pretty useless



but at least Life Leach is better than the "Life After Kill" that is the most worthless Life leach stat of them all

by the time you are done killing a 60k HP mob to only gain any a little bit of HP it's absolutely ridiculous, the highest i've seen for Life After Kill is like 1590

but... common... how many mobs do you have to kill to get sufficient HP on your glove before you die?

on Bosses and Elite this stat is absolutely useless
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I've heard a lot of people say they are having trouble making gold now since the patch. I don't really understand how. I just played a little over an hour and with 5 stack of NV and after repair costs I made close to 200k. Not to mention lots of rares. Pretty much every elite pack drop looks like this ( actually this 1 of the worse ones I got, most had at least 3 rares and I got 1 that had 4):
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And here is a shot of all the rares (including the ring I have equipped that was an actual upgrade for me) after getting a 5 stack of NV. I had a full inventory of mixed blues and rares that I got while getting my 5NV buff but sold/salvaged before I started to farm.Quite a few item level 62 weapons and 1 set of item level 63 bracers. I got all this while in the Cemetery of the Forsaken area in just over an hour of farming:
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Quite a bustle on the OF with this post:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5889309242
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
POSTED BY STRIFE



Not an MMO!

Okay you want online only for DRM, whatever, doesn't make this an MMO, I personally didn't care since I played D2 100% online.

Who cares if people attack fast, who cares if people want to kill pots for an hour instead of monsters, who cares if people want to farm chests and racks, who cares if people want to be able to mow through mobs with epic gear after farming for 100 hours like D2, who cares if I want to wear a cracked sash and short sword after playing this game 1000 hours and try to kill diablo over a 20 minute period without instantly dieing to some "enrage timer".

People play games to have fun, for an ARPG that means starting as a little level 1 weakling and eventually becoming a god that owns everything with epic gear that they find in a reasonable amount of time.

Want to know how to make an ARPG? See Diablo 2, there must be at least a couple people on your dev team who still understand what made D2 great.

Farm bosses? Who cares, people are having fun.
Farm chests? Who cares, people are having fun.
Farm huge amounts of demons? Who cares, people are having fun.

Nerf this, nerf that, "fix" this, "fix" that. Enrage timers, nerf loot, useless legendaries, forced quests, forced acts, forced force forced, slow attacks, slow runspeed, slow slow, nerf nerf, boring, frustrating, wasted time, NOT FUN.

Go back to step 1 in the dev process:
Was Diablo 2 fun or not fun because of awesome overpowered loot? fun
Was Diablo 2 fun or not fun because people could do/farm whatever they wanted? fun
Was Diablo 2 fun or not fun because people felt satisfied with loot drops farming in a variety of ways? fun
Was Diablo 2 fun or not fun for open PvP? fun
Was Diablo 2 fun or not fun because you could "break the game" and carry an 8 person game feeling like a god? fun

Look at D3, everything that was fun is no longer here.

5% IAS , 10% movespeed , 3% Knockback , 10% reduced crowd control , 50% enhanced damage .

30% IAS , 30% movespeed , 25%-100% knockback , Cannot be Frozen , 250% enhanced damage I'm having so much fun becoming strong!

I just filled the screen with lightning, I just ran to blood raven in 20 seconds, I just owned hordes of hell's mobs, I just tanked baal with 7 other people, I just.. I just.. I just.. had so much fun.

Did the loss of the Worldstone make everything and everyone weak?

Diablo R.I.P.

Agree/Disagree?

Let's hear it.
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But the majority of those rares were probably 51-58... for me those almost always go straight to the vendor (short of the uncanny good roll). As fun as act 1 farming for 2 weeks was, I would like to be going further into act3, which I can no longer justify as the risk > reward. So I can either do butcher runs (have done probably 50-100 already) or do act 2 again. Act 2 is fine for farming I guess, but I enjoyed progression through inferno more than farming. Now I can't afford/justify a progression run.
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to put it simply, for me those stacks of 700+ and 200+ use to be double of that

with the same equipment i'm using pre & post 1.03 patch

i had piles of 1500+ gold and 500+ gold

that's why i few pages back i said they nerfed the gold drops, and it was not mentioned anywhere in the release notes

or they probably nerfed the Gold Find %

regardless of what it was, they reduced the amount of gold coming from the same drop, as it did before 1.03

this is obvious as it goes in par with their more Expensive repair bills, and other types of cuts for weapon and gear drops in general

Blizzard wants to bring back down the Gold AH prices by making everyone lose gold, and not be able to farm much

which from a conspiracy theory point of view, they will say Blizzard is forcing people to use RMAH, as no one will be able to afford stuff on the GAH at least in the next few months, until selllers realize no one is buying as no one can afford it at those 2 Billion Gold prices that you see items listed at so often

once people lowers the sale price of the items on the GAH, things should be better

but the repair bills will remain there regardless to keep the Gold disappearing off the game

Indestructible items will become more and more expensive

specially good stated gears with Indestructible affix

so far i've not been able to find anything that i want to replace with Indestructible

all the stuff with Indestructible usually have crappy stats tongue.gif
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I've heard a lot of people say they are having trouble making gold now since the patch. I don't really understand how. I just played a little over an hour and with 5 stack of NV and after repair costs I made close to 200k. Not to mention lots of rares. Pretty much every elite pack drop looks like this ( actually this 1 of the worse ones I got, most had at least 3 rares and I got 1 that had 4):


the Rares drops are guaranteed on Elites vs Bosses

they basically switched the Guaranteed rare drops from Bosses to Elite & Champion packs, and now Bosses only drops 1 instead of 2 guaranteed

this was mentioned in the 1.03 release notes
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Quite a bustle on the OF with this post:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5889309242 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
POSTED BY STRIFE

Not an MMO!
Okay you want online only for DRM, whatever, doesn't make this an MMO, I personally didn't care since I played D2 100% online.
Who cares if people attack fast, who cares if people want to kill pots for an hour instead of monsters, who cares if people want to farm chests and racks, who cares if people want to be able to mow through mobs with epic gear after farming for 100 hours like D2, who cares if I want to wear a cracked sash and short sword after playing this game 1000 hours and try to kill diablo over a 20 minute period without instantly dieing to some "enrage timer".
People play games to have fun, for an ARPG that means starting as a little level 1 weakling and eventually becoming a god that owns everything with epic gear that they find in a reasonable amount of time.
Want to know how to make an ARPG? See Diablo 2, there must be at least a couple people on your dev team who still understand what made D2 great.
Farm bosses? Who cares, people are having fun.
Farm chests? Who cares, people are having fun.
Farm huge amounts of demons? Who cares, people are having fun.
Nerf this, nerf that, "fix" this, "fix" that. Enrage timers, nerf loot, useless legendaries, forced quests, forced acts, forced force forced, slow attacks, slow runspeed, slow slow, nerf nerf, boring, frustrating, wasted time, NOT FUN.
Go back to step 1 in the dev process:
Was Diablo 2 fun or not fun because of awesome overpowered loot? fun
Was Diablo 2 fun or not fun because people could do/farm whatever they wanted? fun
Was Diablo 2 fun or not fun because people felt satisfied with loot drops farming in a variety of ways? fun
Was Diablo 2 fun or not fun for open PvP? fun
Was Diablo 2 fun or not fun because you could "break the game" and carry an 8 person game feeling like a god? fun
Look at D3, everything that was fun is no longer here.
5% IAS , 10% movespeed , 3% Knockback , 10% reduced crowd control , 50% enhanced damage .
30% IAS , 30% movespeed , 25%-100% knockback , Cannot be Frozen , 250% enhanced damage I'm having so much fun becoming strong!
I just filled the screen with lightning, I just ran to blood raven in 20 seconds, I just owned hordes of hell's mobs, I just tanked baal with 7 other people, I just.. I just.. I just.. had so much fun.
Did the loss of the Worldstone make everything and everyone weak?
Diablo R.I.P.
Agree/Disagree?
Let's hear it.

Agree, unless like me you thought progressing through inferno was fun.. which I guess I can't really do that anymore either..
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But the majority of those rares were probably 51-58... for me those almost always go straight to the vendor (short of the uncanny good roll). As fun as act 1 farming for 2 weeks was, I would like to be going further into act3, which I can no longer justify as the risk > reward. So I can either do butcher runs (have done probably 50-100 already) or do act 2 again. Act 2 is fine for farming I guess, but I enjoyed progression through inferno more than farming. Now I can't afford/justify a progression run.

But they weren't. Most of the rares were actually lvl61, with some 62,59 and a lvl 63 bracers. The blues were mid 50s to 60. My point was basically there is gold to be made if you want to make it. I actually don't spend much time farming A1, I'm usually leveling other classes if I'm not progressing through A2 with my WD( am almost at Belial.) The only time I really farm is if I get low on gold.
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Agree, unless like me you thought progressing through inferno was fun.. which I guess I can't really do that anymore either..
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When you read this did you imagine someone doing interpretitive dance? I did.
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Agree, unless like me you thought progressing through inferno was fun.. which I guess I can't really do that anymore either..

Some things I agree with others, not so much. D2 was too easy... There were several builds that would dominate everything. People say the boss fights are too easy in D3!?... Have you played D2? All of the D2 bosses were a joke. There were also many, many useless Unique items in D2.

Are people forgetting that they were constantly updating and patching D2 back in the day? They nerfed/buffed several things over the 10 years. They added several things in terms of items, runes, jewels, runewords, torches etc... I can't make any comments about Inferno b/c I'm not there yet. There's no question that the game is a lot harder than D2, I've probably died well over 50 times in Hell with my Wizard in Act 1. I almost never died in D2. Was D2 too easy? For sure. Is D3 too hard? Probably from what I've been reading. Is it worth ranting and raving and demanding refunds? No.

There will be many, many more patches. People will whine every time one comes out and life will go on.

EDIT: Also, what's with all the people making it seem like the AH is the devil (pun intended)? You can't tell me you played D2 and didn't trade anything. The only difference is you don't waste time haggling with ppl like in D2 and Gold is the currency and not HRs (high runes). I prefer the AH over wasting hours and hours trying to find someone to trade with.
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Made my first hardcore character ever, witch doctor, and nearly died at level 2. Killed every enemy on screen and alt tabbed for a second only to discover a couple of zombies thought it would be cool to crawl out of a hole and attack my guy. I don't think I'll be making it very high wink.gif lol.
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