[Official] Diablo III Information and Discussion Thread - Page 871

I absolutely disagree.

SWTOR was the first to breach this technology...Go to the SWTOR thread and read the complaints...See what ISP's failed then...I'll give you a hint, they're the same ISP's that are failing, now.

That's right, ISP's still haven't changed and Bioware will actually/does tell you that straight up, these ISP's are still having issues...

Blame is not entirely theirs...There is a history of both sides dropping the ball continuously.

While it may be more their fault, than not, it still doesn't make them entirely responsible for the problems that currently exist.

Ultimately, you can believe that Santa is real as well but, it's just not true...And while the blame may be PARTIALLY theirs, again, it's not entirely, their fault.

Crazy, there's no convincing this guy. He loves to shift the blame towards the actual connection coming from the person or the ISP.

No, I love to put blame where it's actually due.

There's a history of ISP's failing, one that's very well documented (And one you as an entity have FAILED to aknowledge exists).

This is literally like my saying: "Your parents left you presents under the tree" and you scream "NO, IT WAS SANTA".

There are issues beyond what you see that exist on both sides...For some people, it's 100% their ISP...For others it's 100% Blizzard...For others it's 50/50...

You can't sit there and blame one or the other without leaving the fog and actually doing //YOUR OWN RESEARCH// which, all of you, up to this point, have actually failed to do.

So keep believing in Santa...It still won't conjure him into existence.

Well now we're disagreeing on something besides the technical workings of it, which makes more sense to disagree on.

I guess we'll just have to disagree on who's to blame. While it may very well be the ISP's fault there is packet loss in the first place, I put the blame on Blizzard for not accounting for that properly. If it was a minority of the ISP's, I might change my mind... but when most of them are operating like this, that's what Blizzard should be expecting. I mean I haven't even heard a single person yet say they haven't had any lag playing D3.

Seeing how I had no problems with any of the other online games I played when I had D3, wouldn't that indicate something on their end or with how they have it routed?

Are you saying Santa isn't real?

Welp.... today's patch notes are pretty lame. Blizzard really needs to put out another in depth post about upcoming major changes. I think this may reignite my drive to play the game. Bashiok hinted that they are looking at drop rates but it could not make it into the 1.0.3a patch cycle.

I will take the hitching and lag all day long if the gear grind was fun but as soon as you hit that wall, be it Act1, 2 or 3, in Inferno you start to realize the gear grind in this game is pretty broken. I feel like the guy from Mad Money where I sit in the AH and try to find the hot trend then buy low and sell high to afford that next minimal gear upgrade.
Edited by Cryosis00 - 6/26/12 at 6:47am

While I understand your statement of blaming Blizzard for not accounting for or tweaking their side to deal with the ISP caused issues, I am glad that ISPs are being stressed out. I wouldn't expect ISPs to actively try to update how they do things or their network if there wasn't a need. Blizzard and SWTOR is creating that need. I only hope that this will improve future games because they won't have to take into account an old ISP network.

The only games to date using the NGINX base are D3, GW2, SWTOR and Tera has a 50/50 hybrid going on w/Enterprise.

Blizzard has a deal with AT&T in regards to the routing tables/servers/hubs etc.

The AT&T hubs/routers are actually, incredibly sexy but, again, that doesn't mean there's not a problem with them at all.

Within this equation there are about 10 different variables...From YOU to the HOST, you lose about 5/6 P/S...

Now, D3 is already "laggy" because you're playing it host side...Factor in those other 10 variables...It's like leaving Wiley Coyote in a missile silo.

ISP's to date, have a very documented level of failure...Particularly with D3, SWTOR and GW2 (1st beta...Yeah)...So, there's already proof, that the upload is failing.

D3, is already laggy...The buffer isn't working 100% (Hopefully fixed today) and they're dealing with "bad" ISP's that have a proven record of already failing. It's a bad situation...Particularly for Blizzard.

The WoW, attitude of "We're the king" isn't helping them either...They need a 24/7 CS on the forums...And it should have happened on release...then these questions would've been answered and we wouldn't need this conversation at all.

In my opinion, ditch the RMAH, bring the game client side...And take the team you have now to combat hacking because they're going to youtube it regardless.

I'm not against you, quite the opposite, I just don't think it's rational to blame something that's not actually the verified cause of the problem.

I'm saying that you're personally, free to believe in whatever you want but, just because you actually believe something exists, doesn't always make it any more real to anyone else.

In order for that to work, more games need to require it, and a large cable ISP has to upgrade and use that in commercials. In the meantime, we'd all have laggy games .