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this is kind of old news, and the presence of ice was only shown through the sublimation of the supposed "ice" that was pictured. the detection of water was done through a second more intense round of heating in one of phoenix's ovens. its also of great interest that the oven sensors detected soil that was alkaline and could support plant growth so great for future farming. to quote on of the guys from the project, the soil is "similar to what you would find in your back yard." good stuff either way if you into this type of science
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No mention of the 5mile high tornadoes, charged with millions of volts of electricity, that burn the surface of the planet? Or the dust storms that can cover the entire planet in up to 4' or more of dust?

Mars doesnt have water for polar ice caps... they are made from dry ice. Which is ice, as we all know.. just not made from water.

Mars is not an inhabitable planet... Wikipedia is so full of info.
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Life on Mars = Dead life on Mars = Oil

Win win
get bush on the line!
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Life on Mars = Dead life on Mars = Oil

Win win
Oil is a problem we already have on this planet. Too many wars fought over it...why bring it over from mars to create more war.

Oil FTL. Time to move on FATCATS
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Oil is a problem we already have on this planet. Too many wars fought over it...why bring it over from mars to create more war.

Oil FTL. Time to move on FATCATS
Because pretty much everything in the world if effected by oil. Your computer was made from parts that could have been refined from oil, the plane parts were shipped on used and was made from oil, the keyboard you typed that message was probably made from oil.

Get where i'm going here?
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why does life need to be water based or is it that is all we know of what life is based upon and so therefor it must be.
It is not that life is water-based. On our current view, life is probably based on carbon due to it very unique properties. It can form 4 bonds with other atoms allowing it to combine with the most elements. Silicon based life is maybe possible as well. If you check the Periodic Table of elements, you will notice that silicon is in the same column as carbon. The column identify the outer shell and silicon can bond to four atoms as well... but its mass is heavier.

Water is an extremely interesting molecule. It has many interesting properties.... which I can't remember. Unfortunately, biology or biochemistry isn't one of my strong points.
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We understand that there may be non water-dependant life out there but since we have no previous experience with anything but water based life we have no idea what to look for. So it's alot cheaper and efficient to look for life we know can exist.
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People need to watch the movie total recall. It pretty much shows how life on mars would be lol.
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Mars is not that far away. Any form of life on Mars would HAVE to have a source of water. Want to know why there's no life on Mars or any other solid-surface planets in our solar system? Want to know why there aren't space stations orbiting the thousands of planets that have been discovered? I'll give you a hint: no water.

Silicon-based life, as Ducky said, basically replaces carbon, not water. As far as I know, the only mention of Silicon-based life existing has been in science fiction.

Water does so much that it is inconceivable that any other substance(s) could replace it. Water is a fact of the universe; it is a single Oxygen atom bonded to two Hydrogen atoms. That doesn't just change in leaving Earth. The same materials are available on other planets as are available to us.
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Mars is not that far away. Any form of life on Mars would HAVE to have a source of water. Want to know why there's no life on Mars or any other solid-surface planets in our solar system? Want to know why there aren't space stations orbiting the thousands of planets that have been discovered? I'll give you a hint: no water.
At the risk of sounding snotty, I'd say that its because we can barely see the planets themselves, let alone making out any sort of detail on them.

But for the most part your argument is correct. H20 has such unique chemical properties that it is very hard to see how the complex chemical reactions that life is sustained upon could be carried out with out it. This doesn't mean that life without water is impossible, just very, very improbable.
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