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post #21 of 101
I'm getting SOOO sick of windows :swearing:!!!! I only use it because i can play DX games on it. I wish for the sanity of the minds of all those people who are also sick of windows that MS could at least change the name of their OS [MS Doors or something] just to make it a bit diverse.
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My thoughts exactly...

I count Vista as the 7th Windows since "Windows 3.1" or whatever. Maybe ME just doesn't count, lol. What a POC.
It's the NT version. 95, 98 and Me don't count as that version count is of NT. XP and Vista are NT-based, not on 98 and Me.
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Vista is just fine and 10GB is nothing. Games take up as much. Sizing down isn't that important.
    
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Vista is just fine and 10GB is nothing. Games take up as much. Sizing down isn't that important.
Even if the main issue was the amount of storage space (which it isn't), sizing down is absolutely important. The biggest reason XP's lifetime is getting extended to 2014 is so that MS doesn't miss out on the Eee PC market, which I've never seen anybody say vista can live in.
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Only read the quote you put, but if this article is going the way i think. (ie: Start from scratch only supporting say Dual Core, 512Mb GPU, 4Gb Ram). Then this is whats needed.

We need a whole new OS to be coded for mid to top end components, people will be able to join when they get the new hardware. Otherwise you really are slowing down the OS for the oldies. Nice new all new software etc, i would be fine with that.
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The internal code name for the next version is “Windows 7.” The “7” refers to nothing in particular, a company spokeswoman says.
As previously mentioned, MS used to name their operating systems in numbers until Windows 3.x. When 95 came out they decided to keep the naming scheme, but just for the kernel. I'm not 100% on this, but if you look at a Windows 9x system it will say kernel 4.0. When XP came out they decided to continue the scheme, even though it was using a different kernel, thus we have Windows 5. Vista is using the NT 6 kernel so its essentially Windows 6. That they say it refers to nothing in particular sets off my fanboy bias detector.

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Will it be a top-to-bottom rewrite? Last week, Bill Veghte, a Microsoft senior vice president, sent a letter to customers reassuring them there would be minimal changes to Windows’ essential code. “Our approach with Windows 7,” he wrote, “is to build off the same core architecture as Windows Vista so the investments you and our partners have made in Windows Vista will continue to pay off with Windows 7.
Here we get to the meat of the issue... Do you wonder why Microsoft hasn't done a complete re-write? Its because unlike Apple, who's main user base consists of electronically challenged people who don't mind shelling out over $1000 for a new computer and who will rarely use more than what already comes with the operating system, Microsoft's customers actually use their operating system for real work. Most businesses use custom software, and that would mean a complete rewrite. That means hiring another team of dysfunctional software engineers who will waste thousands of dollars re-programming that software. On the home front Windows users enjoy hundreds, if not thousands more games and applications than Mac or Linux users, and a complete re-write would mean losing that vast catalog of software. Sure, some of it might be reprogrammed, but again that takes time and money, and many companies simply wouldn't bother.


Just look at how much grief Vista incompatibility caused! Now imagine if instead of just a few programs not working, everything stopped working.



Apple was able to pull off OSX because nobody cared about OS9. The only programs anybody ever used were first party programs. If all we used in Windows was Windows Media Player, Office, Movie Maker, Paint, MSN etc.. then they could go ahead and start from scratch, because we know we would get our programs back.


I don't want to start over with a brand new OS if it means potentially giving up Steam, Firefox, Winamp, CoD4, Diablo II, and countless other programs.
    
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post #27 of 101
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Even if the main issue was the amount of storage space (which it isn't), sizing down is absolutely important. The biggest reason XP's lifetime is getting extended to 2014 is so that MS doesn't miss out on the Eee PC market, which I've never seen anybody say vista can live in.
Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I have HDD space and RAM to be used.

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post #28 of 101
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Originally Posted by nathris View Post
As previously mentioned, MS used to name their operating systems in numbers until Windows 3.x. When 95 came out they decided to keep the naming scheme, but just for the kernel. I'm not 100% on this, but if you look at a Windows 9x system it will say kernel 4.0. When XP came out they decided to continue the scheme, even though it was using a different kernel, thus we have Windows 5. Vista is using the NT 6 kernel so its essentially Windows 6. That they say it refers to nothing in particular sets off my fanboy bias detector.
A company spokeswoman said that. Somebody should let PR in on the versioning system

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Here we get to the meat of the issue.. Do you wonder why Microsoft hasn't done a complete re-write? Its because unlike Apple, who's main user base consists of electronically challenged people who don't mind shelling out over $1000 for a new computer and who will rarely use more than what already comes with the operating system, Microsoft's customers actually use their operating system for real work. Most businesses use custom software, and that would mean a complete rewrite. That means hiring another team of dysfunctional software engineers who will waste thousands of dollars re-programming that software. On the home front Windows users enjoy hundreds, if not thousands more games and applications than Mac or Linux users, and a complete re-write would mean losing that vast catalog of software. Sure, some of it might be reprogrammed, but again that takes time and money, and many companies simply wouldn't bother.


Just look at how much grief Vista incompatibility caused! Now imagine if instead of just a few programs not working, everything stopped working.
That's entirely true, but it is not a sustainable position. Yes, it will be painful when it happens (when, not if), but putting off the inevitable rewrite only makes it harder when it does happen. Besides, if you really, truly need something that would no longer work, you can always run XP in a virtual machine.

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Apple was able to pull off OSX because nobody cared about OS9. The only programs anybody ever used were first party programs. If all we used in Windows was Windows Media Player, Office, Movie Maker, Paint, MSN etc.. then they could go ahead and start from scratch, because we know we would get our programs back.


I don't want to start over with a brand new OS if it means potentially giving up Steam, Firefox, Winamp, CoD4, Diablo II, and countless other programs.
It's not like these companies would go out of business. Software would be updated, just like anything that vista broke was. Your old games might not work and most likely would not be ported, but how long do you really need your OS to support Doom?

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Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I have HDD space and RAM to be used.
Well, I'm sure Microsoft will be reassured to know that you don't care about the ultra low cost market. Unfortunately, for the rest of the world it's just getting started, and already huge. Windows 7 must be able to run on an Eee PC. If not, MS will be giving Linux an entire market segment for free.

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Like I said, I@m not too fussed. If I do need to use an Eee PC I'll happily use XP, or whatever they have on it.

Just as long as it's not Linux. Because Linux sucks.

(Disclaimer, however, Linux would be great if hardware vendors weren't so shadey in releasing optimised open source drivers. It's great the first time you compile your own driver and get something working ok. But for the casual user it's a pain in the arse, and I'm a casual Linux user.)
    
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Like I said, I@m not too fussed. If I do need to use an Eee PC I'll happily use XP, or whatever they have on it.

Just as long as it's not Linux. Because Linux sucks.

(Disclaimer, however, Linux would be great if hardware vendors weren't so shadey in releasing optimised open source drivers. It's great the first time you compile your own driver and get something working ok. But for the casual user it's a pain in the arse, and I'm a casual Linux user.)
Even XP on the Eee needs beefier specs. Once you add to that the cost of the license (which linux doesn't need) you've more or less defeated the purpose of getting an Eee. XP is fine and all, but when it's two generations and a decade old, and the only option MS has to operate within the market segment, they're going to have some problems.

Note that I write Eee for convenience. I mean the entire XO/Wind/Netbook etc market.
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