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Anyone who thinks Microsoft should start over, I am afraid to say, is retarded.

Microsoft gets tons of flack because Office 2007 is .docx. What do you think will happen if they remove compatibility on Windows.

Windows is good, as it is. It is very reliable and fairly secure. People are used to it.

Why reinvent the wheel?

And they said OSX laps Windows. Ha, now that is funny.
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Yeah - obviously they should support every piece of code ever written for windows forever.
That's how a lot of people think!

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3rd party developers want Windows to support every bit of code. To me, this is why virtualization is so important. Start from scratch, but make sure that you can run all the old OS's on Virtual Machines.
I agree, virtualization is probably the future. Maybe not even OS virtualization, just app virtualization of some sort. That's the bleeding edge in the corporate sector, it will dribble down to the desktop eventually.

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How can Windows 7 be 6.1 if they're rewriting kernel?
Version schemes are whatever the developer wants them to be. Products get completely rewritten from scratch and given a new major version number all the time.

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And they said OSX laps Windows. Ha, now that is funny.
What's funny about it? OSX is a darn fine OS. I won't use a Mac as my main rig because I want more gaming capability, but I would certainly recommend a Mac to anyone...
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It is disappointing that MinWin will not be making it into a production release of Windows 7 (at least that's the impression the Microsoft spokesperson gave). That was a reason for quite a bit of hype surrounding 7.

What will be interesting is to see how much of a deviation from Vista they make as development of 7 progresses. We might be looking at a change reminiscent of that from 2000 to XP; I/E, one with some additional functionality added but the core of the OS remaining much the same.

Paul, I am used to a lot of name calling coming my way. Retarded is one I usually don't get.
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Anyone who thinks Microsoft should start over, I am afraid to say, is retarded.
Here we go again. "If you don't think what paulito thinks, you're retarded." You said it, not me.

I'll be bookmarking this one for future reference.
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Here we go again. "If you don't think what paulito thinks, you're retarded." You said it, not me.

I'll be bookmarking this one for future reference.
It has nothing to do with my opinion. It is an absurd idea. Think of the massive development, bugs, security holes, compatibility issues, ect, ect, ect. It just doesn't make sense.

Engineering never starts from scratch. You ALWAYS start with something that already existed. Recreating the wheel just doesn't make sense. How round can it get?
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It has nothing to do with my opinion. It is an absurd idea. Think of the massive development, bugs, security holes, compatibility issues, ect, ect, ect. It just doesn't make sense.

Engineering never starts from scratch. You ALWAYS start with something that already existed. Recreating the wheel just doesn't make sense. How round can it get?
I've gotta say I couldn't agree more. It makes no sense to rebuild windows from the bottom up. I think Windows needs a major overhaul, but losing backwards compatibility and such would be disasterous.
    
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One seriously biased article.
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I'm afraid the simple truth is that what Microsoft is currently doing is making them REALLY FRIGGEN RICH and I don't think any two-bit critic will sway them.
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I would venture to argue that an operating system is quite a bit more complex than a wheel. We're fond of car analogies - say you had a 1960's Bel Air. It was what you knew how to drive, it did its job well, and was a good car; but it is now old and not practical as a daily driver (big engine so not great gas mileage, does not have the latest safety features, etc). You go car shopping, but because you've driven a manual all these years and the new car you want has fuel injection and not a carburetor you don't buy it, because you like to be able to fiddle with the carb when you feel like it. A opinion that others should respect? Sure. But, given that you're looking for a most efficient daily driver it may not be the most logical one.

So, the question here is if a person is going to buy Windows 7, do they really need to be able to execute a 16 bit application natively? Heck, lets take it one step farther and say 32 bit, as it is being billed as a "next gen" operating system. The answer is virtualization, not retaining a very similar kernel and much of the same code they have used for a plethora of generation of Windows. Current software technology has made it so that even if the kernel does not naitively support an older application a user can still execute it effectively (and often transparently) to accomplish what they need to accomplish without being constrained by the old code for when they want to use that "cutting edge" operating system.

If it works, why fix it? Because there is always a better way. Rather than try to make it "more round", why not invent a replacement for it that does not have its chief downfalls?
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Originally Posted by pauldovi View Post
It has nothing to do with my opinion. It is an absurd idea. Think of the massive development, bugs, security holes, compatibility issues, ect, ect, ect. It just doesn't make sense.

Engineering never starts from scratch. You ALWAYS start with something that already existed. Recreating the wheel just doesn't make sense. How round can it get?
...You do NOT rag on engineering. Dont talk about something you know nothing about.
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