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Originally Posted by The Hundred Gunner View Post
Certainly they don't need to throw EVERYTHING away. But I think lots needs to be done to the core system. We don't need to throw the foundation away, but I think we can work to improve the foundation. A renovation would be nice.

Sorry if I sounded like I was saying everything should be wiped and everything made new.

And I guess saying that engineering projects need to be tossed sometimes doesn't necessarily apply. I was talking about sometimes you're in the middle of a project, and you realize it just isn't going to work from there... But that doesn't fit here. You can disregard that.



Well if you let crap build on top of crap, you're eventually going to have a pile of crap. I'm not calling windows total crap. I'm saying that somethings need to be refined. It might be cheaper to kick up the horsepower to make up for the crap, but the problem is going to have to be addressed at some point. There needs to be a balance of good hardware and optimized software. I would hope that no one would argue with this.
You guys are agreeing with me. Starting over means throwing everything away, and that is absurd.

I don't know how you could speculate on the Windows kernel, considering none of us have ever seen it. When Windows 2000's code leaked most experts said it seemed to be very well written.

Yes Windows is bloated, does it have to be no. That is pretty obvious by the vlite version of Vista that are well under 4GB (the size of most Linux distro's). However with GB's of storage so cheap it isn't really that big of a deal that MS shipped everything under the sun with Vista.

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I do think Windows could use a rewrite.

I am not a programmer, or software engineer, but anyone who has had significant experience with Windows and seen what competing operating systems can do, can see that Windows is FUBAR. Windows is bloated beyond all reasoning or necessity, and has been this way for quite some time. Vista has highlighted this fact, but it's far from the beginning of the problem.



The problem is that Microsoft doesn't seem to really ever improve much. They just bolt on new crap. Windows is so big that I would ba amazed if anyone at Microsft had a real clue as to how it works. When something gets to that point, it could use some simplification.

I seriously considered paying someone 5,000-10,000 dollars to build an embedded version of windows XP to my specifications. So yes, I am willing to spend a lot more, for much less (in a good way) of an OS than Microsoft is currently selling.

As it is now, I am no longer willing to pay for Microsoft's OSes until they actually improve.

The last Microsoft OS that I think was actually better than what came before it was Windows 2000. 2000 had significant advantages over windows 98SE, and over windows NT 4.0. Was XP much better than Wndows 2000, no it was not. Is Vista superior to XP in anyway that mattered to me, no it is not.

We are not talking about increasing the execution speed of code, just leaving out what isn't really needed.
Who are you going to pay to make an embedded version of Windows. The only person that could do that is MS itself and it would cost a lot more than $10k to do. I don't think you understand the development costs of Windows. Vista rang up a bill well over $10 billion dollars.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._btview04.html

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Originally Posted by The Hundred Gunner View Post
I'm not going to pay for crap (which is why I won't buy any of the non-full "versions" of vista), and I'm not going to pay multiple benjamins for one that has everything. Therefore, I don't buy.

Well freakin hell, windows could use a price drop anyway. For the amount it costs, they should be giving me the "significantly faster windows" right here right now.

That said, the only thing I'm prepared for is to not purchase windows...
I am not advocated that anyone use Vista here. If it isn't worth it to you, that is fine. I can tell you though, that Vista is cheap compared to equivalent (in complexity) software.
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post #82 of 101
Has anyone here tried out a striped down version of Vista? Supposedly performance is way better after shedding the extra weight. If performance is what your after.
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I think this would be a bad idea considering all the people burned by Vista, the only reason I like it is because of Dreamscape and thats about it.

I mean after all, didn't they say the exact same thing about XP and Vista, that they were suppose to be OS' from the ground up, and that never happened.
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Originally Posted by Manyak View Post
I couldn't agree with you more on every part of this post.

The only reason I got vista is for games, and that's all I use it for. For everything else, there's Mastercard. Errr, I mean Linux.
Hey, same here. Windows for gaming, OSX for EVERYTHING else. I don't even use antivirus or antispyware or anything on windows anymore because it doesn't even browse the web.

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You guys are agreeing with me. Starting over means throwing everything away, and that is absurd.
I guess so. I didn't read the whole article; did they really say throw EVERYTHING away and start from absolute scratch? That I certainly don't believe in. But I do believe a HEAVY makeover is due: that's my main point.
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Hmm this thread is no longer productive.

Would it be nice if Windows was re-written? Sure. In some alternate reality where all software developers code quickly to match the re-release of a brand new OS...

Is it going to happen. No.

So you guys should relax a little okay? It's just a stupid internet thread.
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It's a lot more work than just to use DX10/9.
Port DX to Linux. Problem solved. No gamer would then stick with M$.
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Port DX to Linux. Problem solved. No gamer would then stick with M$.

Nah, OpenGL is already perfected enough. We just need OpenGL 3.0 to come out.
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Port DX to Linux. Problem solved. No gamer would then stick with M$.
Because the lack of DX is the only complaint people have about Linux...
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Nah, OpenGL is already perfected enough. We just need OpenGL 3.0 to come out.

OGL 3.1 is where it's at. 3.0 is just "clean up". All the good stuff won't show up until 3.1, but it all matters little if Khronos does not get moving . All fell silent like a year ago, and there has not been much activity since then.
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Virtualization doesn't support 3D acceleration, so games are out. That's not the problem with ditching compatibility from MS's perspective, though, its the business users.
Yes it does? I use Parallels on my Mac, and I can play 3D games! Very poorly, but I can!
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roflmao!
Umm that is NOT a Vista BSOD...
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