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There is absolutely no way the 4870X2 will be $500-$500. Why:

1. A 4870 is $300, going off the relationship between the 3870 and the 3870X2 the 4870X2 should run closer to $600.
2. GDDR5 memory will be in short demand when these cards are running around with 1GB of it.
3. PCI Express 2.0 interface on board.
4. Why should ATI sell it for $500-$550 (even if they could). It is faster than a GTX280.
http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...s-release.html

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not to mention its nearly 3 months before the release of the 4870X2, so the drivers are still VERY immature, and X2 drivers are usually very complicated, so in 3 months time they should be that much better
Again... http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...s-release.html
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so 4 beats 3. but then shouldnt 3 be cheaper then 4?
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AMD can and will make a lot of money selling them for ~$500. they're making money selling the 4870 now for $300 and while it costs more to make a 4870X2 there's additional profit to made on it. the GTX280 is a huge mother of a chip and yields can't be that great. i suppose they can reduce the price to match the 4870X2 to maintain market share but i think they're gonna take a big hit in the wallet doing that.
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O wow?

So AMD/ATI need 4 GPU's to acheive what Nvidia do with 3?

Sure price difference is big but so is the performance gap.
DAMN! the GTX280 scored X18362 with only 3.

Back on topic: Looks like ATI has finally become a contender again. Can't wait for real world game benchies these synthetic benchmarks are getting old with the same old arguments.
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AMD can and will make a lot of money selling them for ~$500. they're making money selling the 4870 now for $300 and while it costs more to make a 4870X2 there's additional profit to made on it. the GTX280 is a huge mother of a chip and yields can't be that great. i suppose they can reduce the price to match the 4870X2 to maintain market share but i think they're gonna take a big hit in the wallet doing that.
Even if the GTX280 matches the price of a HD4870X2, there's still no point in getting it. The 4870X2 will kick the crap out of it for the same price.
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Yeah. Remember all of the price rumors on the GTX280 and GTX260. Those turned out real accurate.

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AMD can and will make a lot of money selling them for ~$500. they're making money selling the 4870 now for $300 and while it costs more to make a 4870X2 there's additional profit to made on it. the GTX280 is a huge mother of a chip and yields can't be that great. i suppose they can reduce the price to match the 4870X2 to maintain market share but i think they're gonna take a big hit in the wallet doing that.
If the X2 costs more money to make then 2 4870's and they charge less than double the price of 2 4870's how exactly is there additional profit?

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Even if the GTX280 matches the price of a HD4870X2, there's still no point in getting it. The 4870X2 will kick the crap out of it for the same price.
I really don't think there is any point in the GTX280 (or the X2 at the price I am guessing it is going to launch at). However, I love to play devil's advocate, especially with you.

The GTX280 will definitely produce less heat than the 4870X2. And what if you really like PhysX games?
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**** it, im in
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If the X2 costs more money to make then 2 4870's and they charge less than double the price of 2 4870's how exactly is there additional profit

The GTX280 will definitely produce less heat than the 4870X2. And what if you really like PhysX games?
that is a big thing. i really dont know how much stuff costs though. it really depends on the PLX chip...

needs to be proven. 2 smaller cores or 1 big one =/ i dont know of any physx games though. at least none that are that insanely popular. nvidia and physx is alot of bs used just to make vantage look good....
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must..........save.....money..........for......... ....ridiculous...........graphics card.........


god damn gas!!!!! come down to $3 at least! I want this card!!

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The GTX280 will definitely produce less heat than the 4870X2.
True. Not going to argue with that. 2 GPUs vs 1 GPU, 4870X2 will produce more heat, but it's also going to perform better. Assuming that TDP has linear scaling (which it probably won't but it should be close), HD4870X2 will have a ~22% higher TDP than the GTX280 and this margin will increase more with GT200b unless it's clocked significantly higher. However, if it can achieve ~50% better performance for a ~22% increase in TDP, I think most people will tend to ignore the heat increase as long as it's less than the performance increase. Anyone who's really concerned about the heat from either card is going to have an aftermarket cooler or a waterblock strapped to it before it even POSTS in their system, though.

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And what if you really like PhysX games?
Well there's always the Radeon PhysX hack

Actually, I'm rather skeptical as to when this will actually happen. We've had GPU physics promised before and it never really took off. A lot of the hype over GPU PhysX right now is coming purely from Nvidia's CUDA division rather than actual in-game usage. The other thing that's unclear is how much of a performance hit will we see if the GPU is doing PhysX and graphics at the same time. Nvidia's G80/GT200 architecture isn't particularly suited for a big number of simultaneous threads, which doesn't make the whole GPU physics thing sound too hot. The impact PhysX has on games is going to depend a lot on how quickly Havok/AMD can get GPU physics on the Radeon, and if ATI is able to run both APIs on the same card, it's really a done deal.

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However, I love to play devil's advocate, especially with you.
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