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Hey guys,
It's been a while since I have looked for advice on the graphics front...wow.

Anyhow, I am contemplating getting a 4870 and a new waterblock to replace my X1900XT. However, I am wondering a couple of things.

I play at 1600x1200, which is a fairly high resolution, but not super high. I dont anticipate getting anything more than a 22" monitor in the next few years, with a max resolution of 1920x1200 (or whatever). However, thats in the distant future. Do I wait for the extra power and price of an X2 or just go with the 4870 now?

Also, will my C2Q bottleneck an X2? I can get a stable 3.1Ghz overclock, but dont run higher than that because my poor P5W isn't made for the C2Q's massive power draw. If I can't unleash the quad to 4Ghz, is it still as good an investment?

I am also into the water cooling, and am not sure the X2 will be able to stay cool with only a double 120mm rad. However, I don't know. My temps right now are fine. 51-52C load on the quad and about 48C on the GPU under load.


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4870 is enough for ur playing resolution !
also if u wish to buy a 4870x2 ur C2Q wont be a bottleneck !
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4870 is enough for ur playing resolution !
also if u wish to buy a 4870x2 ur C2Q wont be a bottleneck !
Yeah, but if you look at the 20k+ benches on ORB, they really have to pump up the speed on quads to get those scores. Otherwise, the GPU really drops off even as its power increases.
    
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I guess it depends on how long it will be until your thinking about upgrading again. If you do it year by year (judging from your gpu I'd say no) then the 4870 should be fine. If this is supposed to last you a while you might want to consider a 4870x2.
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Yeah, but if you look at the 20k+ benches on ORB, they really have to pump up the speed on quads to get those scores. Otherwise, the GPU really drops off even as its power increases.
Thats because people are already maxing out the graphics tests with 8800GTS 512s and the like. The only way to get more points is by going extreme on the CPU end (those CPU tests are crazy and aren't going to reach maximum smoothness anytime soon). Real games are not so dependent on the CPU, especially at 1600x1200 and 1680x1050/1920x1200.

I say get the 4870 now, and later get a crossfire board to let you push the quad farther, and then FINALLY get a second 4870 for CF as the wallet permits
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Anyone have any comments on the power dissipation of an X2? If I was to go for the X2, I have a feeling it would quickly overwhelm my rad, unless I got some really high rpm fans for the thing. My rig is almost silent now...
    
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4870 is enough for ur playing resolution !
also if u wish to buy a 4870x2 ur C2Q wont be a bottleneck !
A CPU will not be a bottleneck for that card. As you start to play at higher resolutions and AA it becomes far more GPU dependent.

As far as answering the question, a 4870 will probably be plenty unless your into benchmarks or playing top of the line games at 16AA. Since it will be so expensive, I would look at getting one 4870 and then getting another one down the road if you get a 24in monitor.
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you could always stick with the stock cooling (or even aftermarket air) until you have enough cash to set up a separate loop for the GPU (and maybe chipset?). Still, graphics cards put out more heat but are also more resistant to higher temperatures, so stock should be fine :\\
I can't find a max temp on the web, but right around release time if you haven't gotten a 4870 (or are looking for tri-fire with 4870+4870x2) and if you're seeing temps higher than that on stock cooling, get an aftermarket cooler
same with the 4870, if your temps are too close to the max temp allowed, thats when you go aftermarket (or if you don't like the noise, like me )
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A CPU will not be a bottleneck for that card. As you start to play at higher resolutions and AA it becomes far more GPU dependent.

As far as answering the question, a 4870 will probably be plenty unless your into benchmarks or playing top of the line games at 16AA. Since it will be so expensive, I would look at getting one 4870 and then getting another one down the road if you get a 24in monitor.

Very good point. I thought the X2s were going to be ~450? That is quite expensive, yes, but not to the degree of a 280 or anything...

However, that is speculation.


Really I wanna play oblivion maxed out, TF2, BF2142, and the new version of STALKER at high resolutions. I am also into the Witcher, which is quite demanding. I occasionally play Supreme Commander, but that runs on my rig now just fine.

I am leaning towards the single 4870 with an MCW60 instead of the uber-expensive full-coverage block.


EDIT: but with a late-july release for X2....
Edited by killnine - 6/30/08 at 9:18am
    
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