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post #21 of 35
1.41 VOLTS on this 4core processor
and i have 35 idle !!!!



The True.... IS TRUE TO ITS NAME.... I went through 50 freaking heatsinks to get what i wanted.... until this true finally gave me what i wanted. It was madness...

UNDER LOAD @ 1.4 VOLTAGE



BUT.... You have to get your stuff right..... Right FANS.... Right Thermal PASTE.... Right Lap Job...
Right Air direction...

Everything has to be in line.... Once it is.... you have one of the best heatsinks and most sought out.... most bought on the internet.

Good luck to you sir.
post #22 of 35
Is your CPU fan running low RPM's low noise? If so you can try setting it to run at 100% for better cooling. Just a thought.
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post #23 of 35
It's either a bad seating, high ambients, or poopy fan. If Ambient is really 23C (it tends to fluctuate so might be higher) then that's not really a problem.

Can you get us pics of inside the case? Also I would check the bases of the TRUE and CPU to check if they match (ie: good contact).

I get 30 idle and 48 load on a Q6600 at 3.2ghz right now with 22-23C ambient.
Edited by Adrienspawn - 8/6/08 at 12:22pm
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post #24 of 35
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Originally Posted by Pap3r View Post
The day I believe that... Funny how you expect us to believe one fan in a push-pull configuration takes 10C off your idle temps.
The DFS122512L is a 60cfm fan. The S-Flex pushes over 100 cfm.
post #25 of 35
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Right... thanks very much for your replies.

1) I'll make pictures when I will have enough time to (like in a few days, I think)

2) As I've said before, I've put a piece of metal under the retaining bracket (don't know what's it called in English... it's something like this: http://www.meditronik.com.pl/doc/mini/ctb.jpg - bottom left corner)

3) Well, I've looked for the S-Flex and it seems kinda expensive... Considering that I'm just a poor student and that I've already paid for cooling (CM-690 case + fans + TRUE + Thermal grease) more that I would pay for a new processor (for example e8400) i'm full of doubt... But I'll invest more, when I'll have some free cash...

4) I've read a lot about which thermal grease to use and Zalman ZM-STG1 seemed to perform about 1-3°C worse than the Collabolatory Liquid Pro, and it is extremely easy to apply...

I suspect the whole problem is with the heat transfer between the CPU and the TRUE, because even after many hours of stressing it the TRUE gets just mildly warm, where I suspected it to be hot.

Another thing is that it doesn't really matter if I set the CPU FAN to maximum (1500rpm) or take it off completely, which makes me wonder even more if changing the fan will affect temps.

Ambient temp nowadays varies from 20-24°C, and the temps haven't dropped much (it's like 38°C right after Windows loads and around 41°C after few minutes of normal idle, readings from Core Temp).
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post #26 of 35
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Right... thanks very much for your replies.

1) I'll make pictures when I will have enough time to (like in a few days, I think)

2) As I've said before, I've put a piece of metal under the retaining bracket (don't know what's it called in English... it's something like this: http://www.meditronik.com.pl/doc/mini/ctb.jpg - bottom left corner)

3) Well, I've looked for the S-Flex and it seems kinda expensive... Considering that I'm just a poor student and that I've already paid for cooling (CM-690 case + fans + TRUE + Thermal grease) more that I would pay for a new processor (for example e8400) i'm full of doubt... But I'll invest more, when I'll have some free cash...

4) I've read a lot about which thermal grease to use and Zalman ZM-STG1 seemed to perform about 1-3°C worse than the Collabolatory Liquid Pro, and it is extremely easy to apply...

I suspect the whole problem is with the heat transfer between the CPU and the TRUE, because even after many hours of stressing it the TRUE gets just mildly warm, where I suspected it to be hot.

Another thing is that it doesn't really matter if I set the CPU FAN to maximum (1500rpm) or take it off completely, which makes me wonder even more if changing the fan will affect temps.

Ambient temp nowadays varies from 20-24°C, and the temps haven't dropped much (it's like 38°C right after Windows loads and around 41°C after few minutes of normal idle, readings from Core Temp).

You will see the difference in temperature when you change the fan rpm during load, not idle. Try running prime-95 for an hour and then turning the fan off. You will see temps rise pretty fast. Also go with a 38mm-deep fan because an 80cfm one performs better than a 100cfm 25mm-deep fan. More pressure. The Scythe Ultra Kaze 2000rpm is actually not too expensive (8-12$)
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post #27 of 35
Quote:
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Well... I've lapped both IHS and TRUE so now they're both mirror-like and I've put some better thermal grease on (Zalman ZM-STG1), made it more stable and push harder by putting a metal pad between that "thing" with bolt-holes and the radiator, installed second fan on the TRUE, set all fans to maximum speed, waited for my room temperature to drop down to 22°C and fired it up.

Guess what?
NOTHING changed. Not even a single degree. Still, the TRUE is just warm after an hour of running Orthos, while it should become hot.

Of course, the thermal paste hasn't yet got to maximum performance (will take about a week), but c'mon, I was expecting at least 10°C less.

What else could I do?
If you get different readings with the panel off/on the trouble is airflow. It can take several days for the thermal paste to "cook" you will probably only see about a 5C drop when it is cured. pushing on the top of the TRUE when the computer is running is one way to see if you have a poor seat on top of the chipset. One final check is to make sure (I know you prob. checked 5x's already) that BOTH fans are blowing in the SAME direction, should be towards rear case fan.
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The DFS122512L is a 60cfm fan. The S-Flex pushes over 100 cfm.
And? So what, one S-Flex is 100CFMand makes his proc run at 32 idle. That doesn't mean that 2 S-Flex's are going to make it run at 22c idle. One fan, even if it is 100CFM doesn't drop it 10C, not to mention running below ambient room temperature
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And? So what, one S-Flex is 100CFMand makes his proc run at 32 idle. That doesn't mean that 2 S-Flex's are going to make it run at 22c idle. One fan, even if it is 100CFM doesn't drop it 10C, not to mention running below ambient room temperature
We aren't talking about one S-Flex VS two, we're talking about two S-Flex VS one 60cfm fan.
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RUE with 2xS-FLEX SFF21G, idle 20C, load 62C (prime small FFT), room temp 22

TRUE with 1xDFS122512L, idle 31C, load 73C (prime small FFT), room temp 22 The day I believe that...
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Funny how you expect us to believe one fan in a push-pull configuration takes 10C off your idle temps.
The DFS122512L is a very weak fan, adding a second fan to the TRUE does nothing, believe me, I've tried with my Deltas. The difference in temps isn't from the second fan, but from the fact that the S-Flex are more powerful.
post #30 of 35
The S-FLEX SFF21G only pushes 75CFM and that's at 35dba which is pretty sad. My Antec tri-cools push 79CFM at only 30dba (I highly doubt Antec underrates their fans dba levels so I'm going to go with the fact that it's the right rating) Which S-Flex fan pushes 100+cfm? Are you sure you're not talking about the Slipstream which does 110cfm?
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