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You've seen my comparisons, the ones that were as apples-to-apples as can be? Why not quote those?
Because I haven't seen them.

If you pull out student discounts and such I'm allowed to use Slickdeals that discount 25-40%.
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post #42 of 52
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(I'm sorry if you can't, you are below retared).
Oh, The Irony.


Seriously, Some people need to face up, that Windows is currently better for business, and that Mac isn't secure, its just a lack of viruses/spyware/adware for it that keeps it safe, just wait and see if Mac gets really popular, it will be just as, if not, more insecure than Windows.

The Hundred Gunner: I can guarantee if Mac gets popular, it will be a lot less simple than it is now, with all its proprietary software, Apple can make it do what they want it to, Mac gets popular, you get lots of people writing programs for it, those programs start to get buggy as they get bigger, etc.
    
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post #43 of 52
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Are you sure you want to go down this path? It won't be pretty for Mac...

I bolded where each system has an advantage. Keep in mind the price differences.

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Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post
Oh, The Irony.


Seriously, Some people need to face up, that Windows is currently better for business, and that Mac isn't secure, its just a lack of viruses/spyware/adware for it that keeps it safe, just wait and see if Mac gets really popular, it will be just as, if not, more insecure than Windows.

The Hundred Gunner: I can guarantee if Mac gets popular, it will be a lot less simple than it is now, with all its proprietary software, Apple can make it do what they want it to, Mac gets popular, you get lots of people writing programs for it, those programs start to get buggy as they get bigger, etc.
Where do you get your information?

Do you know what a virus is? Do you know how Unix is with permissions?

Please, enlighten me as to how you come up with your conclusions.

Or in the meantime, go learn about unix and linux, and apply those to OSX .
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post #44 of 52
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Originally Posted by Lelouch View Post
Where do you get your information?
Common Knowledge and what I learn off people, some of which use Macs.

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Do you know what a virus is? Do you know how Unix is with permissions?
Yeah, But you can have the worlds most secure system, with the most secure Anti-Virus, Firewall, etc, but all it takes is a stupid user to download and run a program.

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Originally Posted by Lelouch View Post
Please, enlighten me as to how you come up with your conclusions.
See above.

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Originally Posted by Lelouch View Post
Or in the meantime, go learn about unix and linux, and apply those to OSX .
I ran Ubuntu for a while, great OS, I haven't owned a Mac in my lifetime, but I have tried quite a few, very different IMO, but I haven't used a Mac thoroughly. (More than running a few Programs, Browsing internet, etc)
    
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Also why would want to go to pogo.com on A mac?. It's not A gamming OS. I amit that and I'm sure other MAC users will say the same thing
Changes nothing on what I said earlier.
A game is an application at all.
(let's forget about special APIs like DirectX, OpenGl or PhysX here)

This makes the game that is able to crash the Mac OS to an application that is able to ....
Windows ME runs super stable if you don't bring in additional software, as well.

Even less special is a Browser Plugin like Flash, ShockWave or Java.
Do you now want to say "MAC OS is not a Browser Plugin OS"?
If so, than it is not ready for the Internet at all.

Flash is THE technology on the web this days.
It made what Java Applets dreamed of.
From Advertisment banner over animated Menus to multimedial Websites is everything possible.
What do you think why Adobe tried to fight it (SVG) before they toke over MacroMedia and Microsoft now tries to fight it (Silverlight)?

but I get off the point here.

I can just repeat it: a OS has to prevent Software from making the System run unstable.
And for sure it has to prevent a Deadlock.
Therefore every method is ok.
It is allowed to kill a running thread/task or even to prevent a program from running when this program would crash the System!

Sure this is the theoretical best way.
There will always be a compromise between compatibility and security.
And there will always be situations that crash a OS (any of them).
But Mac OS X is doing way worse on this than Windows Vista.


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Originally Posted by Unknownm View Post
People are just afraid of change. They want there windows, always used windows and they see a thread like this and fight that windows is better than the holy king of the earth. Thats just how forums go these days
I agree that there is a no to new trend in forums these days.
But what you say seems to work with your post, as well.
There are always people (be them Linux or Mac "friends") that try to blame Windows on any possible way.

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Originally Posted by Lelouch View Post
I take it you have little experience with OSX, yes? Hardware runs the OS fine, its responsive.. The Software, well the OS comes with alot of software pre-installed that is actually useful, instead of the junk Dell or HP loads on.
I have exp. with Mac OS 9 and OS X.
Hardware is not really a plus for Mac OS.
You know that all Macs have more or less a fixed Hardware System.

And MAC OS is even clever enough to store backups of all files on your USB Stick.
Sounds good but some day you find out that there is not space left on the stick while it seems empty.
I know how to delete the hidden .trash folder but I'm sure some wonder...


And I seen OS X crash with in my hands while browsing the web or working on Adobe products.
And I seen this happen more often than on Windows XP or Vista (way more often taking it relative to the usage times).

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Originally Posted by Lelouch View Post
Where do you get your information?

Do you know what a virus is? Do you know how Unix is with permissions?

Please, enlighten me as to how you come up with your conclusions.

Or in the meantime, go learn about unix and linux, and apply those to OSX .
Following your logic there are so many Viruses for Windows PCs as Windows has no (or no strict) permission control?

That is really a very ignorant Post.
Windows XP and Vista both follow very modern OS design rules.
They are better in some parts than Unix.

I know how good Unix is done, no question.
But don't you think Microsoft is clever enough to use Unix design patterns if they would need to.

The trick of a Virus is to use available API functions so that a conflict is caused inside the OS (or one of it's elements).

Apple did expand Unix; also close to the core.
The result is a Mac OS X that has way more potential for attacks than Unix itself.
You know that OS X got hacked within 2 Minutes using the Safari Browser.
Apple should know best about it's OS but they did open it's holes to the Internet with their browser - ironic isn't it?


The reason that Windows is more attacked than Unix, Linux or Mac OS X still is it's wide user base (private as well as companies).
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post #46 of 52
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Originally Posted by The Hundred Gunner View Post
Maybe you're just not smart. I mean, it's simple as that. OSX is to computers as Spanish is to language. That's just about what it boils down to. I wouldn't take this as any scholarly evidence or anything, but just today on the Armstrong and Getty show, they were talking about how instruction manuals are always crap. They did praise Apple, though, saying that the products are "so intuitive that you don't need the manual; most things are done the obvious way anyway."

Example: To delete a program in OSX, you drag the application to the Trash and hit delete. In windows, you go to the control panel, go to the uninstaller, select the program, open up the uninstall wizard...

And as for the crashing: stop judging off of other peoples' stupid computers. You don't own one, so you really have no say. It's not like those computers are well kept as mine. If you want to hear what a Mac is really like, you should talk to smart people on this forum who own one, like me, Marin, DangerousHobo, Audi, Unknownm... But then again, you don't want to hear our experiences because they might make apple products look decent, and really, who wants that



Same here. I used to be a rabid apple hater years ago, until I went to my friend's house and actually TRIED to use one. He's an apple fanboy, and I make fun of him for it. He believes Macs never get viruses or malware... You know that kind of guy. Nonetheless, I still think apple makes a great product.



As a matter of fact, they are for the most part. Depending on the specific environment, some training would probably be called for.



I doubt...



I'd say it depends. For a small office, I don't see what the problem with a $600 Mac Mini would be.



Come on, you're just trolling. You're not even hiding it.

I don't understand where this comes from. All this hate from a website not working? steve jobs molest you as a child?



You've seen my comparisons, the ones that were as apples-to-apples as can be? Why not quote those?
Reported for harrasment. You are by far the biggest newb fanboy I have ever came across. You saying "I don't understand where this comes from. All this hate from a website not working? steve jobs molest you as a child?" was out of line. You are a scrub that gets proved wrong in every post and still continue to look like a total ass. You should be banned for posting such non sence.
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post #47 of 52
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Originally Posted by MESeidel View Post
Changes nothing on what I said earlier.
A game is an application at all.
(let's forget about special APIs like DirectX, OpenGl or PhysX here)

This makes the game that is able to crash the Mac OS to an application that is able to ....
Windows ME runs super stable if you don't bring in additional software, as well.

Even less special is a Browser Plugin like Flash, ShockWave or Java.
Do you now want to say "MAC OS is not a Browser Plugin OS"?
If so, than it is not ready for the Internet at all.

Flash is THE technology on the web this days.
It made what Java Applets dreamed of.
From Advertisment banner over animated Menus to multimedial Websites is everything possible.
What do you think why Adobe tried to fight it (SVG) before they toke over MacroMedia and Microsoft now tries to fight it (Silverlight)?

but I get off the point here.

I can just repeat it: a OS has to prevent Software from making the System run unstable.
And for sure it has to prevent a Deadlock.
Therefore every method is ok.
It is allowed to kill a running thread/task or even to prevent a program from running when this program would crash the System!

Sure this is the theoretical best way.
There will always be a compromise between compatibility and security.
And there will always be situations that crash a OS (any of them).
But Mac OS X is doing way worse on this than Windows Vista.




I agree that there is a no to new trend in forums these days.
But what you say seems to work with your post, as well.
There are always people (be them Linux or Mac "friends") that try to blame Windows on any possible way.



I have exp. with Mac OS 9 and OS X.
Hardware is not really a plus for Mac OS.
You know that all Macs have more or less a fixed Hardware System.

And MAC OS is even clever enough to store backups of all files on your USB Stick.
Sounds good but some day you find out that there is not space left on the stick while it seems empty.
I know how to delete the hidden .trash folder but I'm sure some wonder...


And I seen OS X crash with in my hands while browsing the web or working on Adobe products.
And I seen this happen more often than on Windows XP or Vista (way more often taking it relative to the usage times).



Following your logic there are so many Viruses for Windows PCs as Windows has no (or no strict) permission control?

That is really a very ignorant Post.
Windows XP and Vista both follow very modern OS design rules.
They are better in some parts than Unix.

I know how good Unix is done, no question.
But don't you think Microsoft is clever enough to use Unix design patterns if they would need to.

The trick of a Virus is to use available API functions so that a conflict is caused inside the OS (or one of it's elements).

Apple did expand Unix; also close to the core.
The result is a Mac OS X that has way more potential for attacks than Unix itself.
You know that OS X got hacked within 2 Minutes using the Safari Browser.
Apple should know best about it's OS but they did open it's holes to the Internet with their browser - ironic isn't it?


The reason that Windows is more attacked than Unix, Linux or Mac OS X still is it's wide user base (private as well as companies).
Of course it will have its problems, im not saying its perfect. However, hacking and viruses are very different. I have yet to see a peice of code on OSX automatically replicate itself uncontrollably.

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Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post
Common Knowledge and what I learn off people, some of which use Macs.


Yeah, But you can have the worlds most secure system, with the most secure Anti-Virus, Firewall, etc, but all it takes is a stupid user to download and run a program.


See above.


I ran Ubuntu for a while, great OS, I haven't owned a Mac in my lifetime, but I have tried quite a few, very different IMO, but I haven't used a Mac thoroughly. (More than running a few Programs, Browsing internet, etc)
... Ok.. Well again, a virus is a malicous piece of code that replicates itself.. Havent seen anything like that on OSX. That said, OSX has had a worm before, but that is also different from a virus, and OSX is hackable if you really want to do it, and OSX does have problems and needs maintenance, thus what disk utility is for.
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... Ok.. Well again, a virus is a malicous piece of code that replicates itself.. Havent seen anything like that on OSX. That said, OSX has had a worm before, but that is also different from a virus, and OSX is hackable if you really want to do it, and OSX does have problems and needs maintenance, thus what disk utility is for.
Talk about splitting hairs...either way it's code made to break or take over your computer.
     
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Talk about splitting hairs...either way it's code made to break or take over your computer.
No, its not splitting hairs. There ARE differences between trojans, viruses, ad-ware, and spyware. They are quite different actually. The fact that alot of people share your view on this forum is also bad, because it causes alot of misconceptions, especially when talking about computer security.
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... Ok.. Well again, a virus is a malicous piece of code that replicates itself.. Havent seen anything like that on OSX. That said, OSX has had a worm before, but that is also different from a virus, and OSX is hackable if you really want to do it, and OSX does have problems and needs maintenance, thus what disk utility is for.
Yeah, I haven't seen any virus for OS X, but is that saying that its impossible to get virus's, or that people who make them don't think its worth making a virus?
    
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