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Look, by the time all of those titles are out, Nvidia will have, or nearly have, a new series out that support DX 10.1. I really wish the DX 10.1 whores would just shut up.
That will all depend on how quickly game developers adopt DX 10.1. With the success of ATI now, more and more developers might jump on. Nvidia is focusing hard ATM to get the GTX200 core down to 55nm. I think it'll be a while before Nvidia can put together a new core, tape it out, and then get it out to consumers.
    
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Blizz is a very smart company. They would never make a mistake as severe as singling out a sizeable portion of their market. They are interested in one thing - making money. Heck, you can play WoW on a Mac.
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post #43 of 90
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Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE View Post
Good move by AMD/ATI. Get the support of game developers will boost sales for sure.

Nvidia not moving to DX10.1 which we all know is easier to develop for IMO is silly. IS Nvidia being stubborn ?. I think Nvidia are only hurting themselves by remaining DX10 only.
Even S3's graphics cards have DX10.1 support
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Originally Posted by XFreeRollerX View Post
well thats all dandy

But what if the ATI card cant pump out DX10.1 at a decent framerate? No good if you can't enable AA because, god forbid that "its the drivers man, they need another update"

If ATI can get past this problem, then Ill look at them as something still worthy... But then again charging $600+ for a video card is not exactly another option that people will buy into.....

I think Ill keep my 88's till something better comes around
AA hasn't affect ATI cards since the 2900 series. AF has always been the killer. The majority of reviews pump both up at the same time. However, AA does tend to become a problem at extremely high resolutions (2560x1600). This was remedied with the HD4k series with the 800SPs instead of the 320 in the HD3k and HD2900s.

Oh, and before Assassin's Creed's patch was removed, ATI's cards were destroying NVidia's because of the DX10.1 support

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That will all depend on how quickly game developers adopt DX 10.1. With the success of ATI now, more and more developers might jump on. Nvidia is focusing hard ATM to get the GTX200 core down to 55nm. I think it'll be a while before Nvidia can put together a new core, tape it out, and then get it out to consumers.
The GT200b (55nm refresh of the GT200) has already been taped out, it was in the news section. The cards will be available some time in September. The differences will be the core speed and manufacturing process. It will be faster, overclock a little better, have a higher yield (probably 50% instead of less than 40%), and use less power
Edited by RussianGrimmReaper - 7/1/08 at 12:31pm
post #44 of 90
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Even S3's graphics cards have DX10.1 support
I know :O

I still don't get why Nvidia can't get DX10.1 in their cards
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AA hasn't affect ATI cards since the 2900 series. AF has always been the killer. The majority of reviews pump both up at the same time. However, AA does tend to become a problem at extremely high resolutions (2560x1600). This was remedied with the HD4k series with the 800SPs instead of the 320 in the HD3k and HD2900s.
Wasn't in the extra texture units that helped out AF performance more than the shader processors? The HD4k series has 1.5 times as many texture units as any card since the X800 series, and I'm pretty sure that's what really helped the cards out since that's been a bottleneck for the performance of ATI cards since the HD2k series.
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I know :O

I still don't get why Nvidia can't get DX10.1 in their cards
I think it's more about "won't" than "can't". Nvidia's not on great terms with Microsoft, or at least it doesn't seem like they are. The 360 uses an ATI GPU, and Nvidia has not been known for strict adherence to the DirectX API in the past. I'm not saying that Nvidia and Microsoft are like Intel and Nvidia or anything, but I'm pretty sure Microsoft and ATI are a bit closer.
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Wasn't in the extra texture units that helped out AF performance more than the shader processors? The HD4k series has 1.5 times as many texture units as any card since the X800 series, and I'm pretty sure that's what really helped the cards out since that's been a bottleneck for the performance of ATI cards since the HD2k series.
TMUs on ATI's cards do AF. On the 2900 series and HD3k series, there were 16. There are 40 on the HD4k series

AA is handled by the SPs. The HD3k and below didn't have enough SPs to handle huge amounts of AA AND insanely high resolutions(higher than 1920x1200)
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TMUs on ATI's cards do AF. On the 2900 series and HD3k series, there were 16. There are 40 on the HD4k series

AA is handled by the SPs. The HD3k and below didn't have enough SPs to handle huge amounts of AA AND insanely high resolutions(higher than 1920x1200)
So we were both right in our own way then. Nice.
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The problem is people barely notice the difference between DX9 and DX10. How are they going to notice a difference between DX10 and DX10.1.
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The problem is people barely notice the difference between DX9 and DX10. How are they going to notice a difference between DX10 and DX10.1.
DX10.1 is easier to code for and will therefore need less powerful graphics to have the same performance.
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