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LOL, math jokes are great.
However,
Linux/[0 +config hrs*($/hr)]=?
Or just run Ubuntu, and that blows that equation out of the water

True on some level, though. Well, true enough. I tried Suse 11.0 on my sister's laptop all day today, and apparently it doesn't support a backlight in GUI mode

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My point exactly.
Yet you love to innocently point out that the pwn2own competition is a completely valid benchmark for safety

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I am argueing that Office does everything better than Open Office.
Pretty much true... One pro for OOo, though is the fact that it'll open virtually any type of document under the sun. Why don't you give us an example of what MSO does significantly better than OOo. I can think of a few myself, but you're the one arguing, here
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I don't need to tell you something that Office can do that Open Office can't. That is not what I am argueing. I am argueing that Office does everything better than Open Office.
You need to give me some back up for what you are saying, why is it better? What is it that is better?

I'm not saying Linux is perfect, and I understand Windows may be better for some people, but my argument is that for the majority of people, Linux is a better operating system for their use, most of the time, than Windows.
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You need to give me some back up for what you are saying, why is it better? What is it that is better?

I'm not saying Linux is perfect, and I understand Windows may be better for some people, but my argument is that for the majority of people, Linux is a better operating system for their use, most of the time, than Windows.
That's a really bold statement man.....think about what people you're talking about when you say "majority of people."
Are you referring to all of the enterprise class, people running XP SP2 at work? All of the grandmas running Windows 95 with old archaic software from that era (I just set my grandma's pastor's new PC with VIsta up to run a bible reading application from 1995....worked in compatibility mode)
Linux is a great server OS, and I'm going to run Redhat Enterprise on my file server (whenever I get off my arse and build it....), but it's not for everyone.

If you say that Linux is better for the majority of people most of the time......for running a desktop OS for the lay person it needs to be better all of the time. People like this can't dual boot XP or Vista, run VMware, or WINE to get one type of app working that they need and don't know of an alternative.....and time is money. Spending time getting something to work in Linux costs money. Some people's time isn't worth much because they don't earn much money for a living (which is fine), but others can't spend hours at a time fiddling with their OS just to get some app to work.
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Yet you love to innocently point out that the pwn2own competition is a completely valid benchmark for safety
It was the only OS that had a flaw that was found in the actual operating system (or it's stock applications.) And it was a flaw that took only 2 minutes to exploit, that was proof enough for me OSX isn't up there with the big boys Windows and Linux/Unix.
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Pretty much true... One pro for OOo, though is the fact that it'll open virtually any type of document under the sun. Why don't you give us an example of what MSO does significantly better than OOo. I can think of a few myself, but you're the one arguing, here
I got one - connect to an OLAP cube.

MS Excel: Click a few buttons, type in the data source and credentials, and you're done.

OOo Calc: Install some plug-ins, do some configuration, post on some forums for help since it's not intuitive, figure out how to do it after some trial and erros, and you're done.

Note, I haven't actually used Calc since, after reading the help forums about OOo, it doesn't seem to be the most intuitive software.
     
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Some people's time isn't worth much because they don't earn much money for a living (which is fine), but others can't spend hours at a time fiddling with their OS just to get some app to work.
I would also add the word "want" along with that...I know my parents and wife wouldn't want to screw around with new setups and configuration.
     
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I got one - connect to an OLAP cube.

MS Excel: Click a few buttons, type in the data source and credentials, and you're done.

OOo Calc: Install some plug-ins, do some configuration, post on some forums for help since it's not intuitive, figure out how to do it after some trial and erros, and you're done.

Note, I haven't actually used Calc since, after reading the help forums about OOo, it doesn't seem to be the most intuitive software.
OK, you have me. And for people who use that feature, then yes, it may not be easier, but it is possible, and maybe it'll get easier in the future. For some Windows may be the easier choice (or the only choice in some cases), but a lot of people could be using Linux and the only thing stopping them is that they think it is hard, they think stuff isn't there and won't work. I want to push aside those misconceptions.

Linux is ready for the big time, and it is ready for end users, it just needs a little more support and it'll be the best in every area. It's not an easy step, but I think it is coming.

As to the time-is-money argument, rubbish. Ubuntu these days takes no configuration unless you want to do it. Windows took more configuration for me than Ubuntu did.

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If you say that Linux is better for the majority of people most of the time......for running a desktop OS for the lay person it needs to be better all of the time.
If you are admitting Linux is better for the majority of people most of the time, then you are saying Windows is worse for the majority of people the majority of the time, and hence, according to you, neither is suitable. I get your point, but I disagree.
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