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I would like to see a professional review of these against the Core 2 Quad. I would also love to see a review of 2 of these chips on a single motherboard.

Would like to see:

Q6600 (2.4Ghz / 65nm / 95W / ~$195)
Q9300 (2.5Ghz / 45nm / 95W / ~$266)
Q9450 (2.66Ghz / 45nm / 95W / ~$315)
X4 9950 (2.5Ghz / 65nm / 140W / $235)
2 x X4 9950 " "
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I would like to see a professional review of these against the Core 2 Quad. I would also love to see a review of 2 of these chips on a single motherboard.

Would like to see:

Q6600 (2.4Ghz / 65nm / 95W / ~$195)
Q9300 (2.5Ghz / 45nm / 95W / ~$266)
Q9450 (2.66Ghz / 45nm / 95W / ~$315)
X4 9950 (2.5Ghz / 65nm / 140W / $235)
2 x X4 9950 " "
Ditto man these chips are starting to actually show promise. But i doubt dual-CPU would help much if at all in gaming, be nice for encryption, compression, and other media work though.
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post #13 of 19
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I'm impressed with how K10 is doing, guess they just needed time to do some revising. 45nm will definitely help too. I wonder how they make their energy efficient chips suck so little juice though. (Since they are supposed to not lose any performance.)
According to testing done by Ars, the -e chips appear to be chips that have similiar thermal properties as the 125W chips but can't clock at those speeds so they are basically 9850/9750 chips that are underclocked and undervolted to 65W. Perhaps AMD has made some progress in the fabs as well but it doesn't seem like these 65W chips are entirely ground breaking.



As for the 9950, the TDP is quite scary too look at. It is the complete opposite of the situation a couple of years ago when Intel was releasing chips that had such high TDPs and AMD was preaching about energy efficiency. Look at this power consumption graph:



The QX9650 actually consumes less power at load than any of the K10 based chips at idle! I hope AMD gets their high-K 45nm rolling in quick.
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Lower TDP doesn't always mean that the processor have lower power consumption

Those 65w phenom don't consume less power than Intel quad core, despite having lower TDP. Moreover, the Intel quad cores offer a lot better performance because of the higher clock speed and high performance per clock. So, it very obvious that those 65W phenom are not as good as Intel in terms of performance per watt.
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TDP doesn't mean anything

Those 65w phenom don't consume less power than Intel quad core, despite having lower TDP. Moreover, the Intel quad cores offer a lot better performance because of the higher clock speed and high performance per clock. So, it very obvious that those 65W phenom are not as good as Intel in terms of performance per watt.
TDP does mean allot, it is a measurement of heat output.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_Design_Power

Additionally you have to take price and provide proof of your claims they use more power. Don't get ****y, a C2Q is 2 C2D on a single wafer, sot hey can consume a lot of power.
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Additionally you have to take price
Quote from the first post
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They'll be well priced, too, with the 9150e at $175 and the 9350e at $195 (in quantities of 1000).
It seems that the price of those CPUs are just slightly lower than a retail Q6600.

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TDP does mean allot, it is a measurement of heat output.
Thank you for tell me that. But I meant that TDP doesn't mean anything for power consumption

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and provide proof of your claims they use more power.
Check "Cheetos316" post, he have showed some proofs.... Do you want me to post them again ?

http://media.arstechnica.com/reviews...dia/9350-2.png

http://www.hothardware.com/articleim...1173/power.png
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It seems that the price of those CPUs are just slightly lower than a retail Q6600.



Thank you for tell me that. But I meant that TDP doesn't mean anything for power consumption



Check "Cheetos316" post, he have showed some proofs.... Do you want to post them again ?

http://media.arstechnica.com/reviews...dia/9350-2.png

http://www.hothardware.com/articleim...1173/power.png

I never said the Phenoms did better, i just said that you need to pay attention and don't overestimate the C2Qs. The chips are very close.
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post #18 of 19
Great...so what will happen to the triple core prices? I'm interested in one but they cost a bit too close to the quads
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Ditto man these chips are starting to actually show promise. But i doubt dual-CPU would help much if at all in gaming, be nice for encryption, compression, and other media work though.
Not interested in it for gaming.

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TDP does mean allot, it is a measurement of heat output.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_Design_Power

Additionally you have to take price and provide proof of your claims they use more power. Don't get ****y, a C2Q is 2 C2D on a single wafer, sot hey can consume a lot of power.
The highest end Core 2 Quads (45nm and 65nm) have less power consumption then any of the Phenom X4's.
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