Overclock.net › Forums › AMD › AMD CPUs › Dont know where to start
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Dont know where to start

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
Hey guys,

Noobie to the fourms and a Noobie to OC'n. I recently built/rebuilt my first computer and I am sooo addicted to it. I can't stay off of newegg. I put in a new mobo, cpu and ram, along with a heatsink for my CPU. I have a new GPU to put in but waiting on my new PSU that should be here in a couple days.

Anyways I want to OC my new parts but I just dont know where to start and I want to be as as safe as possible so I dont end up screwing my self my damaging my parts. I've been reading tutorials and guides and DL OC programs left and right but I still feel lost and dont know what to do or where to start. I guess I am just looking for some good direction to get started! please help!

Mobo: Asus M3A-H/HDMI
CPU: AMD X2 5000+ Black Edition w/ Roswill RCX-z1 cooler
RAM: Gskill 2gigs DDR2 1066 PC8500
GPU: XFX 8800 GT w/ a Zalman Cooler
PSU: Antect Earthwats 500w
My first build
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A64 X2 5000+ 2.6G ASUS M3A-H/HDMI AM2+ RT XFX Geforce 8800GT w/ Zalman cooler 2gb G. Skill PC8500 DDR2-1066 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows XP Pro SP3 22" Widescreen HD Gateway Logitech G15 Antect Earthwatts 500W 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
NZXT Nemesis Microsoft Laser Mouse 6000 Frag Mat (WoW) 
  hide details  
Reply
My first build
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A64 X2 5000+ 2.6G ASUS M3A-H/HDMI AM2+ RT XFX Geforce 8800GT w/ Zalman cooler 2gb G. Skill PC8500 DDR2-1066 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows XP Pro SP3 22" Widescreen HD Gateway Logitech G15 Antect Earthwatts 500W 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
NZXT Nemesis Microsoft Laser Mouse 6000 Frag Mat (WoW) 
  hide details  
Reply
post #2 of 11
Well there should be a nice and easy to follow guide stickied in one of the AMD sections here at OCN .

Basically:
Increase HT Clock (FSB)
Lower RAM (to keep it out of the equation at first)
Test
Increase HT Clock again
Test
Increase again
Test - NOT STABLE!
Bump voltage up notch
Test
Increase HT Clock

etc......

That's a REALLY basic run down. But you should definitely check out the stickies in the AMD section . I'm sure there's something there that can help better than I can, lol.

EDIT:
Head on over to the "AMD General" section here at OCN (I just checked). There's 3 stickies there (top threads) that you should definitely take a look at. Those might help answer some or all of your questions.
Junkyard
(18 items)
 
NAStradamous
(12 items)
 
HTPC01
(16 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i5 2320 @ 3.1GHz MSI B75MA-E33 HIS HD7970 3GB @ 1050 / 1700, 1.17v Patriot 2x4GB DDR3-1066 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial MX100 256GB WD Green 2TB DVDRW Corsair H50 Push / Pull 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
NZXT 120mm fans strapped to stock 7970 cooler Windows 10 Pro Dell 3007WFP Dell 2007FP 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell 2007FP Cheap Toshiba (R.I.P. Ducky) PC Power & Cooling Silencer MKIII 950w Cheap Garbage (free) 
MouseAudio
Logitech G602 Yardsale Special 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 3330 Asus H61 MSI GTX 750Ti Low Profile 2x4GB Hynix DDR3-1333 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
60GB Kingston SSD 1TB Seagate Samsung DVDRW CoolerMaster Gemin II 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8.1 + Steam Big Picture / Plex HT 50" Insignia LED 1080p Logitech Rosewill Green 530w 
CaseMouseAudioOther
Silverstone HTPC Logitech Pioneer 2.0 tower speakers + 135w RMS Rosewill MCE Remote 
  hide details  
Reply
Junkyard
(18 items)
 
NAStradamous
(12 items)
 
HTPC01
(16 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i5 2320 @ 3.1GHz MSI B75MA-E33 HIS HD7970 3GB @ 1050 / 1700, 1.17v Patriot 2x4GB DDR3-1066 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial MX100 256GB WD Green 2TB DVDRW Corsair H50 Push / Pull 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
NZXT 120mm fans strapped to stock 7970 cooler Windows 10 Pro Dell 3007WFP Dell 2007FP 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell 2007FP Cheap Toshiba (R.I.P. Ducky) PC Power & Cooling Silencer MKIII 950w Cheap Garbage (free) 
MouseAudio
Logitech G602 Yardsale Special 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 3330 Asus H61 MSI GTX 750Ti Low Profile 2x4GB Hynix DDR3-1333 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
60GB Kingston SSD 1TB Seagate Samsung DVDRW CoolerMaster Gemin II 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8.1 + Steam Big Picture / Plex HT 50" Insignia LED 1080p Logitech Rosewill Green 530w 
CaseMouseAudioOther
Silverstone HTPC Logitech Pioneer 2.0 tower speakers + 135w RMS Rosewill MCE Remote 
  hide details  
Reply
post #3 of 11
From my personal experiences, you should stay away from overclocking through software, BIOS OC all the way

pioneerisloud's expanation really sums it up

Cheers
紅白 [Kōhaku]
(20 items)
 
円相 [Ensō]
(16 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Core i5 3570k @ 4.5GHz - 1.29v Maximus V Formula / Thunder FX EVGA GTX 670 @1333/6500 (Unlocked BIOS) EVGA GTX 670 @1249/6500 (Unlocked BIOS) 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Kingston HyperX Beast 2133MHz 2x4GB 2x Micron C400 (Crucial m4) 256GB RAID0 2x Seagate 250GB 2.5" 7200RPM RAID1 EK Supremacy Nickel + Plexi 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
2x EK FC GTX670 CSQ Phobya Xtreme 400 v2 Alphacool NexXxos XT45 240 Windows 8.1 Pro x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2913WM 2560x1080 Logitech G15 v2 Orange Zalman ZM850HP (850w) Corsair Graphite 600T SE 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Steelseries Sensei Steelpad 5L Logitech Z5400 @ Supreme FX IV Razer Tiamat 2.2 @ Supreme FX IV 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A6-5400B @ 3.6GHz Gigabyte F2A88XN-WIFI AMD 7540D 4GB DDR3 1333MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Western Digital Velociraptor 150GB RAID1 1TB Seagate Barracuda ES.2 Samsung DVD-RW DL Noctua NH-C12P 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8.1 Pro x64 32" Sony Bravia LED KDL32-EX710 1920x1080 Logitech LX710 192W AC-DC adapter + 160W DC-DC Pico PSU 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Lian-Li PC-Q11B Logitech LX7 Laser Any surface (lolz) AMD HDMI audio 
  hide details  
Reply
紅白 [Kōhaku]
(20 items)
 
円相 [Ensō]
(16 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Core i5 3570k @ 4.5GHz - 1.29v Maximus V Formula / Thunder FX EVGA GTX 670 @1333/6500 (Unlocked BIOS) EVGA GTX 670 @1249/6500 (Unlocked BIOS) 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Kingston HyperX Beast 2133MHz 2x4GB 2x Micron C400 (Crucial m4) 256GB RAID0 2x Seagate 250GB 2.5" 7200RPM RAID1 EK Supremacy Nickel + Plexi 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
2x EK FC GTX670 CSQ Phobya Xtreme 400 v2 Alphacool NexXxos XT45 240 Windows 8.1 Pro x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2913WM 2560x1080 Logitech G15 v2 Orange Zalman ZM850HP (850w) Corsair Graphite 600T SE 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Steelseries Sensei Steelpad 5L Logitech Z5400 @ Supreme FX IV Razer Tiamat 2.2 @ Supreme FX IV 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A6-5400B @ 3.6GHz Gigabyte F2A88XN-WIFI AMD 7540D 4GB DDR3 1333MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Western Digital Velociraptor 150GB RAID1 1TB Seagate Barracuda ES.2 Samsung DVD-RW DL Noctua NH-C12P 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8.1 Pro x64 32" Sony Bravia LED KDL32-EX710 1920x1080 Logitech LX710 192W AC-DC adapter + 160W DC-DC Pico PSU 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Lian-Li PC-Q11B Logitech LX7 Laser Any surface (lolz) AMD HDMI audio 
  hide details  
Reply
post #4 of 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoon View Post
From my personal experiences, you should stay away from overclocking through software, BIOS OC all the way

pioneerisloud's expanation really sums it up

Cheers
Exactly, DO NOT use software overclocking, bios ftw!
post #5 of 11
Hi and WELCOME to OCN
Patience is well worth it in the learning process It will likely save corrupting the OS.

1. When testing for stability @ full load, watch your CPUs temp. and keep it below the mid 50c range.
2. Get CPU-Z to reference timings and speeds.
3. You have some great RAM so you won't likely have to set the RAM below DDR2 800. Depending on what multiplier you use for the CPU that RAM can take a CPU bus speed of about 265MHz with out causing RAM instability. So do set the RAM to DDR2 800 in the BIOS and set its max default voltage too.
If you can and do try to set the RAM to DDR2 1066 without a Phenom the system usually won't like it.
4. Orthos, OCCT or Prime95 are good full load test programs
5. See our Downloads section for those afore mentioned softwares
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X4 965 ASUS M4A79 Deluxe 9800GTx2 2x2G OCZ Reapers 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
500G WD Black LiteOn CD/DVD R/W Win7 64 22'' ws Acer AL2223W 
KeyboardPowerMouse
MS KU462 Natural SS DA750 MS 5 button 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X4 965 ASUS M4A79 Deluxe 9800GTx2 2x2G OCZ Reapers 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
500G WD Black LiteOn CD/DVD R/W Win7 64 22'' ws Acer AL2223W 
KeyboardPowerMouse
MS KU462 Natural SS DA750 MS 5 button 
  hide details  
Reply
post #6 of 11
I agree, definitely stay away from software overclocking if possible. It really isn't very hard to do. I know you've been reading a lot to understand it, but I feel the links in my sig may help you out. In "My overclocking thread" you will see a spreadsheet of the values I changed. It kind of shows you the sequence I went through to overclock (it was also my first attempt so it's not perfect lol).

As mentioned before, the overview isn't too hard. At first it's all about eliminating variables and only changing 1 thing at a time. CPU is king here, so focus on that. Once you get your cpu to a speed you want, then focus on your ram.

Basic steps again:
1. Decrease speed of ram. E.g. (ddr2-800 to ddr2-677)
2. Increase reference clock (Usually called FSB although that isn't technically correct for AMD).
3. Test (with orthos under small FTT test and monitor temps with coretemp, speedfan, everest, etc.)
4. Increase "FSB" again
5. Test (...)
6. Repeat until unstable
7. When unstable, increase your vcore slightly
8. Test (...)
9. Increase "FSB"
10. Keep repeating until unstable, when unstable increase vcore (until temps get too hot)
11. Once you've reached a maximum, then you can try a multitude of things to get higher and this is where things get complicated. If you're happy with it, than you can move onto your ram settings.

Read some of the guides in my sig (I'm pretty sure they also link to some stickys). If you have more specific questions, ask Good luck
2017 Rig
(12 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 ASUS Crosshair VI Hero Gigabyte Windforce OC GTX 1700 G.Skill TridentZ DDR4-3200 (2x8GB) Model F4-320... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
MyDigitalSSD MDNVME80-BPX-0256 Phillips DVD Windows 10 AOC E2752VH 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech K120 EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 Cooler Master CM-690 Razer Naga 2014 
  hide details  
Reply
2017 Rig
(12 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 ASUS Crosshair VI Hero Gigabyte Windforce OC GTX 1700 G.Skill TridentZ DDR4-3200 (2x8GB) Model F4-320... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
MyDigitalSSD MDNVME80-BPX-0256 Phillips DVD Windows 10 AOC E2752VH 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech K120 EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 Cooler Master CM-690 Razer Naga 2014 
  hide details  
Reply
post #7 of 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Policeman View Post
Anyways I want to OC my new parts but I just dont know where to start and I want to be as as safe as possible so I dont end up screwing my self my damaging my parts. I've been reading tutorials and guides and DL OC programs left and right but I still feel lost and dont know what to do or where to start. I guess I am just looking for some good direction to get started! please help!
Policeman, I noticed you mentioned you read a few guides ect. Just in case if you haven't read the AM2 guide on OCN here it is: http://www.overclock.net/amd-general...ocket-am2.html

One thing I do recommend first is finding the limits of each component. This will give you a nice baseline.

Good luck
Workstation
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon II X4 620 Asus M4A785-M Asus 5770 G.Skill 8GB DDR2-800 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
WD3200AAJS Windows 7 Pro Acer AL2216W, Samsung P2770 Corsair 550VX 
Case
Tagan Black Pearl 
  hide details  
Reply
Workstation
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon II X4 620 Asus M4A785-M Asus 5770 G.Skill 8GB DDR2-800 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
WD3200AAJS Windows 7 Pro Acer AL2216W, Samsung P2770 Corsair 550VX 
Case
Tagan Black Pearl 
  hide details  
Reply
post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys for the help and responses, I've been checking out the guides that you guys have referenced. Still feels overwhelming, but I will give it a shot soon! With a Black Edition AMD 5000+ do I still need to go through all the steps (or should I), due to the unlocked multiplier. I just want to do what will give me the best results in the safest way.
My first build
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A64 X2 5000+ 2.6G ASUS M3A-H/HDMI AM2+ RT XFX Geforce 8800GT w/ Zalman cooler 2gb G. Skill PC8500 DDR2-1066 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows XP Pro SP3 22" Widescreen HD Gateway Logitech G15 Antect Earthwatts 500W 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
NZXT Nemesis Microsoft Laser Mouse 6000 Frag Mat (WoW) 
  hide details  
Reply
My first build
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A64 X2 5000+ 2.6G ASUS M3A-H/HDMI AM2+ RT XFX Geforce 8800GT w/ Zalman cooler 2gb G. Skill PC8500 DDR2-1066 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows XP Pro SP3 22" Widescreen HD Gateway Logitech G15 Antect Earthwatts 500W 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
NZXT Nemesis Microsoft Laser Mouse 6000 Frag Mat (WoW) 
  hide details  
Reply
post #9 of 11
OOOOO yours is a black edition! That helps a bit. Basically the unlocked multiplier enables you to increase your cpu multiplier so that you can overclock it without changing the "FSB". For example, your card is currently 200x13=2600=2.6Ghz. You can try any combination of mulitipliers and "FSB", so lets say for example you want to try 200x14=2.8Ghz.

In the most basic way I can explain:

1. You can overclock your cpu by increasing FSB and/or cpu multiplier
2. Increasing vcore increases stability, but if set too high, will decrease cpu life
3. FSB is shared between mobo, ram, cpu. Increasing FSB will increase it on all 3 components. CPU multiplier only effects your cpu speed.
4. The most dangerous parts of overclocking are extreme temps and voltages. For your chip, try to keep temps below 55C under full load and keep voltages under 1.5v (since you're playing it safe)

Hope that helps. If you have any specific questions on the guides, just ask
2017 Rig
(12 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 ASUS Crosshair VI Hero Gigabyte Windforce OC GTX 1700 G.Skill TridentZ DDR4-3200 (2x8GB) Model F4-320... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
MyDigitalSSD MDNVME80-BPX-0256 Phillips DVD Windows 10 AOC E2752VH 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech K120 EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 Cooler Master CM-690 Razer Naga 2014 
  hide details  
Reply
2017 Rig
(12 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 ASUS Crosshair VI Hero Gigabyte Windforce OC GTX 1700 G.Skill TridentZ DDR4-3200 (2x8GB) Model F4-320... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
MyDigitalSSD MDNVME80-BPX-0256 Phillips DVD Windows 10 AOC E2752VH 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech K120 EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 Cooler Master CM-690 Razer Naga 2014 
  hide details  
Reply
post #10 of 11
Go go go! Post your best shots.

Although as WBaS says on number 3, increasing the FSB will basically increase the overall speed of your system, although some motherboards make it possible to "un-tie" memory speeds from the FSB, leaving you with more room to change your CPU speed in any way.

But if your motherboard lacks that capability, changing the multiplier on the CPU is a good way to counter it (Black edition ftw ). There is only a downside to that, the multiplier will make overclocking steps as large as the FSB, so to hit a desired speed, you may have to overclock or downclock the FSB to reach it.
紅白 [Kōhaku]
(20 items)
 
円相 [Ensō]
(16 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Core i5 3570k @ 4.5GHz - 1.29v Maximus V Formula / Thunder FX EVGA GTX 670 @1333/6500 (Unlocked BIOS) EVGA GTX 670 @1249/6500 (Unlocked BIOS) 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Kingston HyperX Beast 2133MHz 2x4GB 2x Micron C400 (Crucial m4) 256GB RAID0 2x Seagate 250GB 2.5" 7200RPM RAID1 EK Supremacy Nickel + Plexi 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
2x EK FC GTX670 CSQ Phobya Xtreme 400 v2 Alphacool NexXxos XT45 240 Windows 8.1 Pro x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2913WM 2560x1080 Logitech G15 v2 Orange Zalman ZM850HP (850w) Corsair Graphite 600T SE 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Steelseries Sensei Steelpad 5L Logitech Z5400 @ Supreme FX IV Razer Tiamat 2.2 @ Supreme FX IV 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A6-5400B @ 3.6GHz Gigabyte F2A88XN-WIFI AMD 7540D 4GB DDR3 1333MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Western Digital Velociraptor 150GB RAID1 1TB Seagate Barracuda ES.2 Samsung DVD-RW DL Noctua NH-C12P 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8.1 Pro x64 32" Sony Bravia LED KDL32-EX710 1920x1080 Logitech LX710 192W AC-DC adapter + 160W DC-DC Pico PSU 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Lian-Li PC-Q11B Logitech LX7 Laser Any surface (lolz) AMD HDMI audio 
  hide details  
Reply
紅白 [Kōhaku]
(20 items)
 
円相 [Ensō]
(16 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Core i5 3570k @ 4.5GHz - 1.29v Maximus V Formula / Thunder FX EVGA GTX 670 @1333/6500 (Unlocked BIOS) EVGA GTX 670 @1249/6500 (Unlocked BIOS) 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Kingston HyperX Beast 2133MHz 2x4GB 2x Micron C400 (Crucial m4) 256GB RAID0 2x Seagate 250GB 2.5" 7200RPM RAID1 EK Supremacy Nickel + Plexi 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
2x EK FC GTX670 CSQ Phobya Xtreme 400 v2 Alphacool NexXxos XT45 240 Windows 8.1 Pro x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2913WM 2560x1080 Logitech G15 v2 Orange Zalman ZM850HP (850w) Corsair Graphite 600T SE 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Steelseries Sensei Steelpad 5L Logitech Z5400 @ Supreme FX IV Razer Tiamat 2.2 @ Supreme FX IV 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A6-5400B @ 3.6GHz Gigabyte F2A88XN-WIFI AMD 7540D 4GB DDR3 1333MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Western Digital Velociraptor 150GB RAID1 1TB Seagate Barracuda ES.2 Samsung DVD-RW DL Noctua NH-C12P 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8.1 Pro x64 32" Sony Bravia LED KDL32-EX710 1920x1080 Logitech LX710 192W AC-DC adapter + 160W DC-DC Pico PSU 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Lian-Li PC-Q11B Logitech LX7 Laser Any surface (lolz) AMD HDMI audio 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: AMD CPUs
Overclock.net › Forums › AMD › AMD CPUs › Dont know where to start