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Do workstations. Wait, ill be nice enough to do it for you ..

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In this case, Apple wins, making it a better buy for workstations.
Last time I checked CATIA, Pro|Engineer, SolidWorks, MATLAB, and other very high end programs don't work for Mac. Meaning that Mac is a $3500 desktop for a lot of people.

Even my cousin who is a Mac fanatic and just graduated from Full Sail (a.k.a. Mac University) is going with a PC for his rendering farm.
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post #52 of 91
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Last time I checked CATIA, Pro|Engineer, SolidWorks, MATLAB, and other very high end programs don't work for Mac. Meaning that Mac is a $3500 desktop for a lot of people.

Even my cousin who is a Mac fanatic and just graduated from Full Sail (a.k.a. Mac University) is going with a PC for his rendering farm.
There are other programs out there, like Cinema 4D for Mac.
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There are other programs out there, like Cinema 4D for Mac.
Convincing.
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post #54 of 91
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IT WAS A JOKE
I've been owned.

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1. Windows is User friendly. Im not saying something like Linux isnt but I have found that at times its not as ''Simple'' as Windows. Such I have found sometimes you have to go the long way round about things in Linux whereas in Windows it can sometimes be a little more simple due to IMO a better Interface.

...

The above two points are huge in the long scheme of things as people will always want a simple interface that works. So in a Gamers view Windows is alot easier to use than something like Linux.
You were on a roll there talking about ease of use. Is there a reason you dodged OSX?

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My main point was this: the issues that helped Windows become a monopoly don't exist today. And unless Microsoft can bring more "exclusives" to Windows, it will be difficult for them to maintain their market share.
Ah, I see. Nah, I think they'll be able to keep their market share either way. I mean, I even talked to my friend about Linux and/or OSX before, for example, and he gave me the old, "Yeah, but I'm uuuuuuuuuused to windows."

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Even though I run windows, I want another OS to succeed. It's better for everyone if Microsoft gets some competition. Microsoft's share should drop to 75% or less and another OS, don't care which one, needs to get at least 20%. Best thing to have is for their share to drop below 50%.
You see, now there's someone who's not full of hate who knows what's best for all of us. Saying "Death to apple because they suck! Windows only! Yay!" is about as stupid as saying, "We need higher gas prices to conserve more!"

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You make a big fallacy. Perhaps you are correct that Mac hardware is fairly close to PC hardware ($200 is big $$ though), but that is at the same high end hardware as Mac.

What about the cheap sup $400 stuff that sells so much?
I realize this. I've said it myself many times: Apple's lack of lower end hardware is one of their downfalls. They start high and go higher. This creates the illusion that their computers are morbidly overpriced.

I think the point still stands, though, that for what you get, Macs are not terribly overpriced. Factor in the laptop hardware, the software, the absence of adware.

If you're looking for a regular ATX-factor desktop, apple has nothing for you. That's the way it is.

I didn't look at your comparison closely because I saw you compared a laptop to a desktop, used the crippled home premium instead of the full ultimate vista...

Here is a real comparison. This is as apples-to-apples it gets:

http://www.overclock.net/3638573-post224.html

Then in another thread, I showed you price comparisons between apple/Lenovo and apple/HP. The Lenovo was significantly cheaper (including software). The HP was a little bit cheaper for the same specs (including software).
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I realize this. I've said it myself many times: Apple's lack of lower end hardware is one of their downfalls. They start high and go higher. This creates the illusion that their computers are morbidly overpriced.

I think the point still stands, though, that for what you get, Macs are not terribly overpriced. Factor in the laptop hardware, the software, the absence of adware.

If you're looking for a regular ATX-factor desktop, apple has nothing for you. That's the way it is.

I didn't look at your comparison closely because I saw you compared a laptop to a desktop, used the crippled home premium instead of the full ultimate vista...

Here is a real comparison. This is as apples-to-apples it gets:

http://www.overclock.net/3638573-post224.html

Then in another thread, I showed you price comparisons between apple/Lenovo and apple/HP. The Lenovo was significantly cheaper (including software). The HP was a little bit cheaper for the same specs (including software).
I did not compare a notebook to a desktop. I compared desktops to desktops and I found that Dell gave you more hardware than Apple for equal price or the same hardware for considerably smaller price. The Dell configured as closely as possible to the Mac was still better (faster processor, 3x larger HDD, better graphics) and was 31% - 35% cheaper.

Windows Vista Home Premium is far from crippled. You lose Ultimate extras and Bitlocker, not a huge loss.

Dells are a lot better than they used to be about the bloatware, they even offer the systems without it. Furthermore it is very easy and very well documented on how to reformat a Dell or any other OEM to get a fresh bloat-free installation of XP / Vista.
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Last time I checked CATIA, Pro|Engineer, SolidWorks, MATLAB, and other very high end programs don't work for Mac. Meaning that Mac is a $3500 desktop for a lot of people.

Even my cousin who is a Mac fanatic and just graduated from Full Sail (a.k.a. Mac University) is going with a PC for his rendering farm.
MATLAB works with a mac, at least as of 2008a
I know it really isn't relevant.. Just wanted to point it out
    
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I tried using a MAC at a customers house and found myself trying to hit the right mouse button all the time

I can remember playing Maniac Mansion on my Pops 386. I guess I'm just ingrained with windows lol
   
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I tried using a MAC at a customers house and found myself trying to hit the right mouse button all the time

I can remember playing Maniac Mansion on my Pops 386. I guess I'm just ingrained with windows lol
The new mice have a right click, you just have to set it up in the controls for mouse and keyboard..

The reason why Apple doesnt default to right click is simple; they have "right click" first. Back in the day it was just CTR+Click and you get basically a right click. Then Windows machines started coming with seperate left and right clicks, while Mac users were just use to doing ctrl+click, and Apple didnt see a need for change.
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I did not compare a notebook to a desktop.
You went from mac mini (desktop) to inspiron 530 (desktop) to macbook (laptop). I didn't see where you were going with that.

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I compared desktops to desktops and I found that Dell gave you more hardware than Apple for equal price or the same hardware for considerably smaller price. The Dell configured as closely as possible to the Mac was still better (faster processor, 3x larger HDD, better graphics) and was 31% - 35% cheaper.
Did you factor in the mac mini's form factor and therefore laptop components? If not, it's not feasible to just say, "Yeah, but who cares about that..." It is what it is. If that wasn't factored in, it's not an apples-to-apples comparison.

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Windows Vista Home Premium is far from crippled. You lose Ultimate extras and Bitlocker, not a huge loss.
For comparison purposes, we cannot use home premium. OSX ultimate comes with backup utilities (existent in vista business), entertainment suite (existent in home premium), remote desktop (existent in vista business), and encryption (existent only in ultimate). There is no version of windows vista that can match all of these except the full version: ultimate.

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Dells are a lot better than they used to be about the bloatware, they even offer the systems without it. Furthermore it is very easy and very well documented on how to reformat a Dell or any other OEM to get a fresh bloat-free installation of XP / Vista.
Dell tells you how to get rid of the adware? But they're paid to show it to you. That doesn't add up, but... I guess that's a good thing if they offer a way out of it. I really hate that stuff; it makes windows look bad.
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None of Dell's Business line models come with any pre installed software that you didn't ask for.

Stop spreading that BS.

Why is there even a mac argument going on in this thread? It's completely off topic and it's going to get another thread closed for stupid reasons.
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