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Vista Home Premium is far from crippled.

I demonstrated the price gap at 31%:

Furthermore, this Dell system is superior, it has double the graphics memory, 430Mhz faster processor, and double the speed DVD burner.

The price difference is (1199 - 829)/1199 or 30.86%.
Well this comparison isn't direct. Let me show you why:

1. The form factor is totally different
1a. The iMac is an all-in-one. You pay more for the:
i. Design
ii. Laptop components inside, including the CPU, RAM, and motherboard (board is a proprietary design, for one thing; it's not standard ATX, obviously)
iii. Built-in Monitor (did was a monitor included in the 530's price?)
iv. Laptop DVD drive (which is also slot-loading; there's 2 things that raise the price). Also, it's slower because it's a laptop DVD drive, not because they're giving you a slower drive on purpose

2. Whether you believe vista home premium is crippled or not, you're still trying to skimp out on it for some reason.

I would imagine that that narrows the gap quite a bit more.

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No, the price gap is not 2-3 times, but I think most of us understand that. The point that Paul and I are trying to make is that with a mac, you get the privilege to pay more for less powerful hardware.
I agree. It's a trade-off for software. All I'm saying is that the higher starting prices aren't coming out of nowhere. It's not "just because it's apple."
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Well this comparison isn't direct. Let me show you why:

1. The form factor is totally different
1a. The iMac is an all-in-one. You pay more for the:
i. Design
ii. Laptop components inside, including the CPU, RAM, and motherboard (board is a proprietary design, for one thing; it's not standard ATX, obviously)
iii. Built-in Monitor (did was a monitor included in the 530's price?)
iv. Laptop DVD drive (which is also slot-loading; there's 2 things that raise the price)

2. Whether you believe vista home premium is crippled or not, you're still trying to skimp out on it for some reason.

I would imagine that that narrows the gap quite a bit more.



I agree. It's a trade-off for software. All I'm saying is that the higher starting prices aren't coming out of nowhere. It's not "just because it's apple."
There was a monitor in the Dell's price. Essentially you proved our point. You are paying a 30%+ premium for being cool.

The Dell has a faster processor and more video card ram, which more than makes up for the "design" of the Mac.

Sounds like a great deal to me, a built in computer with the monitor. That way I when the computer dies or is out dated my monitor is worthless (or vise-versa).
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There was a monitor in the Dell's price. Essentially you proved our point. You are paying a 30%+ premium for being cool.
No one said anything about being cool. What if someone simply prefers the design? Is that stupid?

I bought a Shuttle SFF system because of its design, and I know I paid a premium for it. I paid $220 when I could have gotten everything inside it for probably $125-150. But I wanted the Shuttle design, and surely I didn't want it to be "cool." I wouldn't automatically stamp everyone getting a system with a different design as trying to be "cool;" that's senseless.

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The Dell has a faster processor and more video card ram, which more than makes up for the "design" of the Mac.
You're only thinking about "hmm, faster hardware = better computer" again. Once again, that isn't the point...

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Sounds like a great deal to me, a built in computer with the monitor. That way I when the computer dies or is out dated my monitor is worthless (or vise-versa).
That's what you're paying for. The same would happen to a dell all-in-one, or the Sony or the HP.

Now, if you feel like doing a real comparison, show me one of the dell all-in-one vs the iMac. I mean, unless you're willing to do that, I don't think there's much to talk about if we're just going to keep comparing apples to oranges but make excuses to call the orange an apple.
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Owned. . Looks exactly like what you see for the PC.. rofl. Guess that shoots down your entire argument.

And for more..
http://guide.apple.com/action.lasso?...rds=10&-search
barring ~10 of those games, its the same list as the $2 shelf at GameStop

THG is a ***** only selectively replies to the posts that are easy to counter. doesn't reply to the arguments he knows are correct against OS X and has no counter towards.
    
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An important question - we all know that computers exist simply for playing games

what else can they do
    
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To be honest I have been a Windows User because of the following and im sure the same goes for alot of people.

1. Windows is User friendly. Im not saying something like Linux isnt but I have found that at times its not as ''Simple'' as Windows. Such I have found sometimes you have to go the long way round about things in Linux whereas in Windows it can sometimes be a little more simple due to IMO a better Interface.

2. For Gamers...Well Windows is nearly a must. Windows simply has the MOST support when it comes to Games and multimedia applications.

The above two points are huge in the long scheme of things as people will always want a simple interface that works. So in a Gamers view Windows is alot easier to use than something like Linux.

This is just my VERY brief opinion on it. I could go on for ages but I cannot as I am at work lol.

Like I said this is just my view...for everyone else it will differ.

and thats why we are all slaves.

if only linux had better support for current games, micro$oft would never get another dime out of my pockets.
    
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macs to me are really slow, i hate how everything is the opposite of the windows format, there is no right click to access certain things really fast. i don't hate macs or OS X, it's just that i don't like some of the layout or features in the O/S.
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macs to me are really slow, i hate how everything is the opposite of the windows format, there is no right click to access certain things really fast. i don't hate macs or OS X, it's just that i don't like some of the layout or features in the O/S.
You can buy 2 button mice for them, but i don't know if there's a right-click menu with 2 button mice.
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THG is a ***** only selectively replies to the posts that are easy to counter. doesn't reply to the arguments he knows are correct against OS X and has no counter towards.
Oooh, ouch, I'm hurt

To the contrary, I actually acknowledge statements that are correct about OSX, just like I do vista. If you've got something to contribute to the discussion, please do. But if you've got nothing to say because you don't know how to argue, please stop being a sad sack and trying to personally attack me.

The personal attacks, believe it or not, tell me that I'm on to something, as they are a last resort when someone can't continue having a logical discussion.

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macs to me are really slow,
If you don't clean it up with utilities, it can gum up just like any other OS. Most mac users don't know about these utilities, so that's understandable.

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there is no right click to access certain things really fast.
There is, actually.

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You can buy 2 button mice for them, but i don't know if there's a right-click menu with 2 button mice.
There is. I can't believe this "macs have no right-click" myth hasn't been debunked yet. This is like still believing today in July, 2008 that vista uses 900MB of RAM at idle because it's a memory hog
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