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You missed my point. Many of the young and uneducated (not an insult) members of this forum will use the fact that "accepted" science 200 years ago was proven wrong, so modern "accepted" science will be proven wrong in 200 years as well.

But there is a fundamental difference in science today then there was then. The experiments come after the theory and science today is not based upon fear of the unknown but rather math, physics, and the resulting experiments that prove them.
You missed my sarcasm. Many of the old overly educated lose their sense of humor as time goes on.

I believe the entire argument is still stated, as time goes on our "science" is continually updated, evolved, modified. So what we may KNOW for a fact today, will probably tomorrows big joke I read about on my lightspeed capable ship typing on my quantom computer.
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Yeah, thank god the world's flat or that could have come back to ya!
Actually, only ignorant lay people believed that. Any thinker/scientist knew otherwise. Actually, any sailor from the last few thousands years knew better.


The world's flat was NEVER a scientific theory. (BTW, a scientific theory is basically a complex LAW).


gex80, you hypothesis is flawed since you are still using only Newtonian science. We've evolved well beyond that already. Newtonian laws of motion are only a special case of Relative/Einstein science. When you move at relativistic speeds, you have to consider space-time effects as well.


Read: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...iv/einvel.html
Edited by DuckieHo - 7/3/08 at 12:58pm
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Actually, only ignorant lay people believed that. Any thinker/scientist knew otherwise. Actually, any sailor from the last few thousands years knew better.


The world's flat was NEVER a scientific theory. (BTW, a scientific theory is bassically a complex LAW).
That hasn't been proven but has substantial evidence to back it up. It remains a theory only until it is right 100% of the time.
    
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gex80, you hypothesis is flawed since you are still using only Newtonian science. We've evolved well beyond that already. Newtonian laws of motion are only a special case of Relative/Einstein science. When you move at relativistic speeds, you have to consider space-time effects as well.
lol I did say i only have a basic understanding of didn't I? I alos did say it is actually more complex. But your right the faster you move the more everything slows down around you. I didn't include that because I forgot that if we did make it close, our computers would slow down and would we. It would give the appearance of time freezing where in actuality it's just moving really slow. To the person who is moving faster.

Didn't Nickelodeon make a movie called time stoppers or something like that?
    
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That hasn't been proven but has substantial evidence to back it up. It remains a theory only until it is right 100% of the time.
Only the fundamentals can be 100% right of the time.

Theories are too complex to ever be declared 100% right. In fact, define "right". Theories are frameworks of higher concepts. In scientific terms, they can be taken as law... unless you have some extraordinary evidence against it.

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lol I did say i only have a basic understanding of didn't I? I alos did say it is actually more complex. But your right the faster you move the more everything slows down around you. I didn't include that because I forgot that if we did make it close, our computers would slow down and would we. It would give the appearance of time freezing where in actuality it's just moving really slow. To the person who is moving faster.

Didn't Nickelodeon make a movie called time stoppers or something like that?
Relativistic motion calculators can be found here: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...iv/einvel.html
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i cant belive you guys are stll arguing about this. look, as a body approaches the speed of light (as paul's graph shows) it gains mass (remember E=mc^2 ??!?!). At very close to the speed of light (99.9999%), this gain is"infinite", meaning the mass of the body is "infinity" kilograms. Now rememer F=ma ? yea, so to cause an acceleration to this "infinite" mass, you would need "infinite" force which requires "infinite" energy. Does infinite energy exist? No. You could put twenty Suns in that engine of yours and still the light
barrier wouldnt be broken. Stop with the hopelessly illogical (and uneducated) responses.
Edited by Brythe - 7/3/08 at 1:15pm
    
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You know whats messed up, Bush almost pulled the plug on this project to increase funding for his war machine.

Anyways this stuff is very interesting indeed. I always like to wiki this subject and check up on them.
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i cant belive you guys are stll arguing about this. look, as a body approaches the speed of light (as paul's graph shows) it gains mass (remember E=mc^2 ??!?!). At very close to the speed of light (99.9999%), this gain is "infinite",
meaning the mass of the body is "infinity" kilograms. Now rememer F=ma ? yea, so to cause an acceleration to this "infinite" mass, you would need "infinite" force which requires "infinite" energy. Does infinite energy exist? No. You could put twenty Suns in that engine of yours and still the light
barrier wouldnt be broken. Stop with the hopelessly illogical (and uneducated) responses.
heh I did say that in a much simpler way. the faster you move, the heavier you weigh.
    
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I wonder how long it takes for it to send a signal back to earth...
Light speed? A day or two tops.
    
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Yeap, our little corner is just that. A LITTLE corner, microscopic on the scheme of things. I'd bet my life that theres life out there aside from us - and I'm being serious.

I'm confident that within this century "man" will indeed build a spacecraft capable of travel within our own starsystem. Artificial gravity is in deed posable and in it's infancy as we know how to create it.

Heck "cloaking" tech, energy shields and energy weapons are also possable and have been done, granted it's in it's EXTREME infancy and far from practical now, but it has been accomplished on some scale. Scientists have also "beamed" atoms across a small distance as well. All this is possable and will happen in time. How much time is anyones guess. Heck think of the micro processor. Started out some 60 years ago and look at it now. We've progressed so far in the 20th century its astounding. Never before has human kind progressed so quickly as we had in the 20th century.

Granted it will probably be 60+ years before we break the speed of light, but I bet you anything it will happen one way or another. There are many thoughts as how to acomplish this, like folding space and time, or normal propulsion.

All this stuff seems mind boggling now but if you think about it, if man kind continues to progress as rapidly as we have this stuff isn't too fare off. I'd say we'll see more practicle versions of some of what I mentioned by the end of this gernations life time.
YA, EXACTLY

Even people are going to see that we can live for hundreds of years, they have already got worms and fruit flys capable of living 2x or 3x their normal life span, whoa, this stuff we can create and image are just mind boggling
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