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ok let me simplify this:

when an object approaches the speed of light, to make it accelerate (and thus break the "light barrier") you need a certain amount of energy. The value of that certain amount of energy = Infinity Joules

Not going to happen. Its not about technology, its science. Just like science does not allow, lets say a single object being in two places at the same time, science does not allow the breaking of the speed of light.
Haha, time will tell
    
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You missed my sarcasm. Many of the old overly educated lose their sense of humor as time goes on.

I believe the entire argument is still stated, as time goes on our "science" is continually updated, evolved, modified. So what we may KNOW for a fact today, will probably tomorrows big joke I read about on my lightspeed capable ship typing on my quantom computer.
Thank you.

People just don't get to get it. Our science and math NOW states this this not possable. Who do you think came up with the math we use now? Human beings. Our understanding of science and math dictates that the light barrier can not be broken. As human beings evolve you can bet your ass science and math will evolve with us.

Any person that does not believe todays science may be flawed or even that science and math can not evolve or new math's be discovered are ignorant fools.

Hell right now we use such a small amount of our brains compared to what we could in the future that anything is possable. We havnt even scratched the surfice of what we could be capable of.

Simple fact: As humans evolved our sciences and maths evolve. Hell if 50 years it's possable a human genious could invent a new math or have a new idea.

Look at our past it has happened already. Not only with science and math either.
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Thank you.

People just don't get to get it. Our science and math NOW states this this not possable. Who do you think came up with the math we use now? Human beings. Our understanding of science and math dictates that the light barrier can not be broken. As human beings evolve you can bet your ass science and math will evolve with us.

Any person that does not believe todays science may be flawed or even that science and math can not evolve or new math's be discovered are ignorant fools.

Hell right now we use such a small amount of our brains compared to what we could in the future that anything is possable. We havnt even scratched the surfice of what we could be capable of.

Simple fact: As humans evolved our sciences and maths evolve. Hell if 50 years it's possable a human genious could invent a new math or have a new idea.

Look at our past it has happened already. Not only with science and math either.


spoken like a true Star Trek nerd.

lol jk man. but i completely agree with what you said.

to think that we have already achieved most/all of what we can in terms of science, knowledge etc..is just plain naive. so is assuming we are the only form of life in the universe. maybe in ours, but how many more are actually out there? does your head in thinking about it.
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Thank god Voyager 2 was launched in 1977. 10 years later it would be running Windows!!111
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Thank god Voyager 2 was launched in 1977. 10 years later it would be running Windows!!111
or even a mac os :O now the endless possibilities of hearing those mac voices from billions of kms away
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Thank you.

People just don't get to get it. Our science and math NOW states this this not possable. Who do you think came up with the math we use now? Human beings. Our understanding of science and math dictates that the light barrier can not be broken. As human beings evolve you can bet your ass science and math will evolve with us.

Any person that does not believe todays science may be flawed or even that science and math can not evolve or new math's be discovered are ignorant fools.

Hell right now we use such a small amount of our brains compared to what we could in the future that anything is possable. We havnt even scratched the surfice of what we could be capable of.

Simple fact: As humans evolved our sciences and maths evolve. Hell if 50 years it's possable a human genious could invent a new math or have a new idea.

Look at our past it has happened already. Not only with science and math either.
However, science does not work that way. Sure we can assume science is flawed... but then what? It is an open argument that is never provable. Fairies may exist on Earth but we just haven't found them. Science can never win that argument. This flawed argument is the same as creationists. It is NOT science if it isn't repeatable and provable. If you want to discuss a topic in scientific terms, fine. But once you wonder outside of it... it is fiction/fantasy.

Also, generally science evolves BASED upon the ground work laid out by current theories. The example before was Newtonian physics or mechanics. In the early 1900's, scientist started to discover exceptions to Newtonian physics. That's where Einstein physics resolved. It turns out Newtonian physics is a part of the greater Einstein physics. In Newtonian physics, you can disregard the relativistic factor.
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That's what I was thinking. I'm generally anti-NASA, but whatever.
Why anti-NASA?

I think this sort of thing is extrememly interesting. While I don't understand it to the same degree as some I absolutely love hearing what NASA's up to. I hit the "When We Left Earth" documentary flipping channels a little while back and I was completely sucked in.
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Solar wind? Interstellar wind? Don't you need a gas to have wind? Where did all of this matter come from if it can't be created or destroyed? I'm a little surprised that so many people believe theories as facts. Mathematics is the only fact. How do we all know that we came from chimps? How do we know that some people didn't evolve from other sources? How do we know that we even evolved? I've read it all in books, but science is theoretical.
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However, science does not work that way. Sure we can assume science is flawed... but then what? It is an open argument that is never provable. Fairies may exist on Earth but we just haven't found them. Science can never win that argument. This flawed argument is the same as creationists. It is NOT science if it isn't repeatable and provable. If you want to discuss a topic in scientific terms, fine. But once you wonder outside of it... it is fiction/fantasy.

Also, generally science evolves BASED upon the ground work laid out by current theories. The example before was Newtonian physics or mechanics. In the early 1900's, scientist started to discover exceptions to Newtonian physics. That's where Einstein physics resolved. It turns out Newtonian physics is a part of the greater Einstein physics. In Newtonian physics, you can disregard the relativistic factor.
You have your opinion it's just that an opinion.

I quote you:
"Also, generally science evolves BASED upon the ground work laid out by current theories."

You just hit the nail on the head. CURRENT THEORIES, thank you.


But to come right out and point blank say that science as we know it now is 100 percent true, or to say somthing will never be possable is just plain ignorance no matter how you look at it.

Who's to say that some genious in a future generation won't come up with a different base for math, or radical new ideas and theories that at some point can be proven correct.
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Solar wind? Interstellar wind? Don't you need a gas to have wind? Where did all of this matter come from if it can't be created or destroyed?
Well, yeah. Of course, outer space has never been an absolute vacuum. With something like - and this is not my estimate - 10[sup]85[/sup] particles in the known universe, it's very unlikely that they're all going to be with stars, nebulae, and planets. It can also be called Interstellar Medium.
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