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I think they may be trying to run the prices of GPU back up to $1000+. Hopefully AMD can keep pumping out amazing graphics processing products so they can reap the benefits of cheaper manufacturing.
Hopefully they can stay ahead or at least remain in direct equally matched competition with Nvidia for many years to come.

Go Reds!

By the time these are out, hopefully ATI will have another Nvidia crushing card ready.
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post #12 of 38
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And when exactly will DirectX 10.1 be put to use?
Never . No really If I was a programmer I wouldn't give a damn about .1 nonsense.

Dx9 is still the coolest API to program with
post #13 of 38
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This would make already extremely expensive and overpriced Nvidia GPUs even more expensive (taking on GDDR5).

GDDR5 on 256bit bus is cheaper than GDDR3 on 512bit, yet the GDDR5 on 256bit have almost the same memory bandwidth.
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Hopefully they can stay ahead or at least remain in direct equally matched competition with Nvidia for many years to come.

Go Reds!

By the time these are out, hopefully ATI will have another Nvidia crushing card ready.
Hope they have some revolutionary ideas for the R800 series.
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post #15 of 38
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GDDR5 on 256bit bus is cheaper than GDDR3 on 512bit, yet the GDDR5 on 256bit have almost the same memory bandwidth.
But what would the point of using the GDDR5 on the 256 bit bus? Just sounds like a ATI 4870 to me and they're already kicking around.

To get ahead of ATI in the terms of speed they would have to use GDDR5 on a 512 bit bus which would be extremely expensive.
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post #16 of 38
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But what would the point of using the GDDR5 on the 256 bit bus? Just sounds like a ATI 4870 to me and they're already kicking around.

To get ahead of ATI in the terms of speed they would have to use GDDR5 on a 512 bit bus which would be extremely expensive.
They will be unable to maintain the 512bit mem bus from practical reasons @55nm.

To have 512 bit mem bus, well you need 512 pins on the chip only for memory access. These pins occupy some chip area. At 55nm the chip size will shrink to 60-70% of the 65nm size, where will they put the pins to access all the 512bit mem bus?

Unless they up the transistor count again (320sp?) to increase size, they will have to cut on those pins, and cutting memory to 384 or 256 bit is the most logical thing to do. Using DDR5 will compensate the memory bus bandwidth drop to keep an overall memory access bandwidth at the same, or even to up it at a higher level.

They've done it one time (G80 384 bit @80nm to G92 256bit @65nm), they can do it again.
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post #17 of 38
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I think the pace at which graphics cards are advancing technologically is ridiculous and as not congruent with current hardware requirements. Take into account that you can still play just about every game on max with a 8800gtx. Of course there are discrepancies resulting from different resolutions, game engines, and of course bottlenecks from other hardware. I love change, and what ever drives down prices can only be seen as a boon for us consumers. I just loved the old days when you diddn't have to upgrade every 6 months...
I think this man deserves an award. Honest to god. That has to be the most precise and non-bloated post Ive ever read.
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post #18 of 38
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Never . No really If I was a programmer I wouldn't give a damn about .1 nonsense.

Dx9 is still the coolest API to program with
D3
post #19 of 38
i take it you decided to rep him, then?

i think nVidia REALLY has been caught with their pants down, and their plummeting stock prices and price cuts seem to prove that rather concisely... and now they are the ones who need to play catch up
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post #20 of 38
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This would make already extremely expensive and overpriced Nvidia GPUs even more expensive (taking on GDDR5).
Nvidias days are numbered...until some sort of abrupt reversal of it's current offerings/prices

Or maybe they'll just get bought up and taken over by some bigger fish who will then do what Nvidia did not do.........the abrupt change over.
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