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Needless to say I am very disappointed and frustrated right now. I just bought a Sapphire 4870. First thing I did was uninstall my old Nvidia drivers and cleaned out my registry before installing the ATI drivers. I couldn't find any 4870 drivers on the ATI website, so I went and installed the drivers on the CD to begin with.

First thing I did was try the Crysis GPU benchmark. As I'm sure you can tell from the topic title, I actually lost about 7-8 FPS. I then went to try running 3DMark06, and I couldn't even get past the system scan, so I couldn't even use it to bench.

Thinking maybe it was the drivers, and at this point realizing I didn't uninstall ATI Tool/Riva Tuner, I uninstalled all of the above, and found the hotfix_xp32-64_dd_ccc_hd4800series_64899.exe drivers. Installed those, and no gain whatsoever, and still not able to get 3DMark06 running.

So, I have since formatted my XP partition, and reinstalled XP and all my drivers. First thing I did was install the ATI drivers (starting with the ones mentioned above), Crysis, and 3DMark06... and STILL no gain (or able to get 3DMark06 running). As a last resort, I have uninstalled the drivers mentioned above (and used Driver Cleaner), and downloaded the 8.6 Catalyst drivers from the ATI website. I think I may have gained 1-2 FPS on Crysis, but still no 3DMark06, and the 1-2FPS increase does not make up for the 7-8 lost from my 8800 GTS.

Now, of course, being on OC.net, I had OC'd my GTS up to Core/Mem = 640/1000, but I'm pretty sure the stock specs on the 4870 are beyond that, so I would think me running the 4870 at stock should beat out my OC'd 8800 GTS.

Can anyone please comment on my situation? I'm on the verge of returning this card, and getting a 2nd 8800 GTS to run in SLI.
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Ok, now matters just went from bad to worse. I decided to pull out the 4870 and put back in the 8800. I wanted to double check my Crysis benchmark score using the exact same settings. Anyways, I cleared out all my ATI drivers, and installed the 8800, and now I can't get the computer to POST. I didn't do anything but replace the GPU (and yes, I made sure to plug the PCIe power cable), and I get no video, and in addition to the blue LED which is always lit on my mobo, the yellow and green LED's came on as well (which I've never been able to find any reference to what they mean, I only know they mean *something* is not right... assuming it's something power related).

To be honest, this is not the first time I've experienced this type of thing. In fact, it seems like whenever I try to do anything with my computer, I experience it. I can usually get it to go away by removing all the components, and starting with only the cpu, ram and gpu plugged in. Sometimes it doesn't work on the first try, but it usually does after a while.

Well, so far I've pulled everything, and have not had much result. I have tried swapping back and forth between the 8800 and the 4870. When I plug in the 4870, the 3 red LED's on it light up. I did get some response once when I tried plugging the 8800 in my second PCI-e slot instead of the first. I got a visual on screen, but it told me I need to plug the GPU into the first PCI-e. Sadly, doing so still did not allow me to POST (and now I can't even recreate the same experience if I try plugging it back in to the 2nd slot).

Even if I can get it all back working again, I am sick and tired of this happening. Can anyone please tell me if they think it is the mobo, or the power supply that is causing this problem? Because I would much rather just go out and buy another one of whatever is causing the problem if it'll mean I won't experience this again (or at least not for a while).
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It sounds to me like something could be wrong with the PCIe slot. Do you have a different rig you could test the video cards in? Maybe a friend's rig? That would help rule out the cards, though I'm pretty sure it isn't them. I'm assuming you don't happen to have a spare mobo laying around nor anyone who does. That'd really help expedite the troubleshooting process.

But from everything I've read, I'm led to believe it's motherboard related. I haven't messed with too many issues like this so I'm not 100% sure. Hopefully a more reputable source will agree and I'll feel like I know what I'm talking about.
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It sounds to me like something could be wrong with the PCIe slot. Do you have a different rig you could test the video cards in? Maybe a friend's rig? That would help rule out the cards, though I'm pretty sure it isn't them. I'm assuming you don't happen to have a spare mobo laying around nor anyone who does. That'd really help expedite the troubleshooting process.

But from everything I've read, I'm led to believe it's motherboard related. I haven't messed with too many issues like this so I'm not 100% sure. Hopefully a more reputable source will agree and I'll feel like I know what I'm talking about.
I doubt it's an issue with either card either. I thought it was the PCI-e slot too when I switched and put the card into the 2nd slot, and got a visual... but now that doesn't even work. I'm also leaning towards it just being a general mobo issue, but I could also see it equally being a potential issue with the power supply. I don't want to have to buy both new, if I can help it... but at the same time, I'd like to get the issue solved today.

In case if it is the mobo, can anyone give me any good suggestions? Any in the $150-250 range that are good for OC'ing with?
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RMA that Mobo
    
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Do you have a multimeter or voltmeter? I'm pretty sure you could use one to test the PSU.
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Wow, what bad luck.

Firstly, the ATI + 3DMark06 problem should be solved with the following:
http://www.futuremark.com/download/hotfix_feb08/

All ATI cards since the HD 2x00 series have had this problem, and this fix has solved it so I'd be hopeful it works for your card as well.

Also, don't compare clock speeds. Just becuase ATI's core clockspeed is faster, it won't make the game faster. That's like saying Intel 3.0Ghz = AMD 3.0Ghz - it's actually about the efficiency of the CPU/GPU more than the speed.

As for the lack of framerate, I'm surprised the 4870 is slower. Unfortunately ATI cards don't play welll with nvidia sponsored games which Crysis is a prime example of, but i'd still expect it to be quicker.

Have a look in the ATI CCC and see if there's any forced AA/AF modes or settings higher than what you had the nVidia at. nVidia defaults aren't necessarily the same as the ATI defaults.

As for the current system. Power off, unplug the mains and take the battery out of the mobo for 10 mins and try it, and if still no luck, then completely disassemble the rig, battery out and leave overnight. Countless mobo's I've though I've killed but leaving the battery out overnight has brought them back to life.

HTH, best of luck and hope you're happier with the 4870 at the end of it
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Have the 4870s been performing well on nVidia chipsets?
    
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Do you have a multimeter or voltmeter? I'm pretty sure you could use one to test the PSU.
I do have a multimeter. Any idea how to use one to test the PS? It would be great if I could determine if it is the problem, or can be ruled out. I should hope it's not the PS, it's a Thermaltake Toughpower 600W. I paid nearly $150 CAD after taxes, so it better not be the problem.

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Wow, what bad luck.

Tell me about it. I have been going through a phase where it seems everytime I do anything with computers/electronics, they are not working the way they should. Even when doing simple things like this, which (to me) confirms that these are not due to my error, but just the general unreliability of electronics/computers.
Firstly, the ATI + 3DMark06 problem should be solved with the following:
http://www.futuremark.com/download/hotfix_feb08/

All ATI cards since the HD 2x00 series have had this problem, and this fix has solved it so I'd be hopeful it works for your card as well.

Thanks. I'll definitely give that a try if/when I get this back up and running.

Also, don't compare clock speeds. Just becuase ATI's core clockspeed is faster, it won't make the game faster. That's like saying Intel 3.0Ghz = AMD 3.0Ghz - it's actually about the efficiency of the CPU/GPU more than the speed.

Yeah, you're right. I know it's apples to oranges... that there are a heck of a lot more to factor than the clock cycles. Basically, I just mentioned that as a general statement to say that even though I had my 8800 OC'd, it should still be outperformed by the stock 4870.

As for the lack of framerate, I'm surprised the 4870 is slower. Unfortunately ATI cards don't play welll with nvidia sponsored games which Crysis is a prime example of, but i'd still expect it to be quicker.

Have a look in the ATI CCC and see if there's any forced AA/AF modes or settings higher than what you had the nVidia at. nVidia defaults aren't necessarily the same as the ATI defaults.

Good points. Prior to formatting, I had cone into the CCC and set all the AA/AF modes to application controlled, but they didn't really make any difference. I did, admittedly, forget to do the same after formatting.

As for the current system. Power off, unplug the mains and take the battery out of the mobo for 10 mins and try it, and if still no luck, then completely disassemble the rig, battery out and leave overnight. Countless mobo's I've though I've killed but leaving the battery out overnight has brought them back to life.

Yeah, that's just about the one thing I haven't tried yet, but am doing right now. Just didn't want to have to go in and reset all my OC values, but gotta do what I gotta do.

HTH, best of luck and hope you're happier with the 4870 at the end of it

Thanks. I just had a friend call, and when I told him I got the ATI, he told me they are a client of his, and for me to return it and he could get me one for much cheaper. Wondering if I should bother.
So, just in case I do need to replace the mobo, I ask again, could anyone please suggest some for me to look into?
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reset CMOS ?

Mobo: DFI, Gigabyte, Asus
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