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Ok, so I've now been able to do some proper benching comparisons, and the 4870 is showing to be on top... but not by much.

I first tested the 8800 GTS with no OC settings. Crysis was averaging about 17 FPS, and I got a 3dMark06 score in the 9800 range.

I then OC'd the 8800 GTS to the values I mentioned before. Got about 19 FPS and a 3DMark06 score of 10300 range.

Then I did the same with the 4870. I got about 25 FPS on Crysis, and 10600 range on 36Mark06.

Previously, though, I had gotten 29 FPS average with Crysis, almost the same settings, and 18000 score on 3DMark06. When I switched mobo's, that obviously got rid of my CPU OC settings, so right now that is at stock, but I somehow wonder if my CPU OC settings really contributed to such higher scores. I really wished I could have done this test on my old mobo, but now I'm back to square one with my OC settings.

With all that said, I'm not all that impressed by the 4870, I feel it's barely performing better than my 8800 GTS (but at least now it IS better, whereas before I'm pretty sure it wasn't). I feel that I would have been better off just buying another 8800 GTS and running SLI.

Looks like I'll be spending a lot of time over the next week tweaking and benching.

Not cool.
You did not score 18000 in 06 with your GTS.
IMO you should have stayed green, since you have an SLI board.
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crysis is not a good game to use the 4870 with for your comparison, for some reason nvidia cards run crysis best, I have heard the picture looks much nicer with the 4870 and that in game benchmarks it really does better.
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Hmm. I had a pair of BFG 8800GTS (G92's) and recently went to 4870's. I have posted benches for both sets of cards. The ATI cards are definitely faster.


As Grunion pointed out above, you will not get 18k with an 8800GTS, especially the older gen 640 MB version no matter how high you overclock it (and especially with an E6600).

My G92 GTS were a good deal faster than your card and the best I could get with my cpu at 4 ghz (thats a quad btw) was just over 16k with one of them.
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Well, I'm kicking myself now because I did have the 3DMark06 file saved from when I did that test, but I lost it when I formatted my HDD on Friday. I will admit, my memory is a little iffy, I was pretty sure it was 18000+, but it also could have been 15000+. What I will tell you is that it was with the default options (no AA) and my monitor has a max res of 1280x1024. Like I said, I really do think I remember it being 18000+, but I'm not going to argue it to be correct since I do not have any evidence any longer, and I'll take everyone's word for it.

Anyways, for everyone who said that Crysis is not a good choice to benchmark this with, my question is: what about my 3DMark06 scores? They are fairly negligible. If anything, I thought I saw an even bigger performance gain in the Crysis bench's over the 3DMark06 ones.

I REALLY want this card to work out, and to impress me. Is there *anything* else that I can do to try to make this card somehow wow me? I'll see if I can get my hands on some of these other games to do some testing with, at least.
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Well, I'm kicking myself now because I did have the 3DMark06 file saved from when I did that test, but I lost it when I formatted my HDD on Friday. I will admit, my memory is a little iffy, I was pretty sure it was 18000+, but it also could have been 15000+. What I will tell you is that it was with the default options (no AA) and my monitor has a max res of 1280x1024. Like I said, I really do think I remember it being 18000+, but I'm not going to argue it to be correct since I do not have any evidence any longer, and I'll take everyone's word for it.

Anyways, for everyone who said that Crysis is not a good choice to benchmark this with, my question is: what about my 3DMark06 scores? They are fairly negligible. If anything, I thought I saw an even bigger performance gain in the Crysis bench's over the 3DMark06 ones.

I REALLY want this card to work out, and to impress me. Is there *anything* else that I can do to try to make this card somehow wow me? I'll see if I can get my hands on some of these other games to do some testing with, at least.
The games I listed. Really any game other than Crysis is a good choice. Check out some reviews and see where ATI does really well and try those games.
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If I understand this you got.

9800+ on the 8800 at stock and 10600+ on the 4870 stock . than 10300 on the 8800 OC’d.. What did you get on the 4870 OC’d?


Correct me if I have this wrong.
    
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I first tested the 8800 GTS with no OC settings. Crysis was averaging about 17 FPS, and I got a 3dMark06 score in the 9800 range.

I then OC'd the 8800 GTS to the values I mentioned before. Got about 19 FPS and a 3DMark06 score of 10300 range.

Then I did the same with the 4870. I got about 25 FPS on Crysis, and 10600 range on 36Mark06.

Previously, though, I had gotten 29 FPS average with Crysis, almost the same settings, and 18000 score on 3DMark06.
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Well, I'm kicking myself now because I did have the 3DMark06 file saved from when I did that test, but I lost it when I formatted my HDD on Friday. I will admit, my memory is a little iffy, I was pretty sure it was 18000+, but it also could have been 15000+. What I will tell you is that it was with the default options (no AA) and my monitor has a max res of 1280x1024. Like I said, I really do think I remember it being 18000+, but I'm not going to argue it to be correct since I do not have any evidence any longer, and I'll take everyone's word for it.
Hopefully I can put your mind at rest.

18K sounds like a 3DMark05 score if I'm honest. Even a oc'd GTX 280 is going to stuggle to hit 18k with an oc'd E6600 in 06.

To look at the Crysis results, you've gone from 17 fps to 25 fps, an increase of 8 fps (or ~50%) over the stock GTS 640MB and 6 fps (or ~35%) over an oc'd GTS 640MB.

That's a pretty substantial improvement if you ask me, especially when you think that 17-19 fps is really not playable for Crysis, yet 25 fps actually is. And, you're still yet to overclock!

29 fps on Crysis previously will definitely have been with very different settings. There's no way a CPU overclock, even from 2.4Ghz to over 4Ghz would results in nearly doubling a GTS 640Mb's framerate.

The HD 4870 is working well, and it's kicking the GTS 640Mb's arse, even in a hugely nvidia biased game. Try COD4 or some other games that you've got to compare notes again if you want more proof

And, going back to your mate, if you can get a second card on the cheap - go for it
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If I understand this you got.

9800+ on the 8800 at stock and 10600+ on the 4870 stock . than 10300 on the 8800 OC’d.. What did you get on the 4870 OC’d?


Correct me if I have this wrong.
You are correct. I am yet to attempt to OC the 4870 as of yet... I still have yet to get my CPU back up to speed, since I'm completely unfamiliar with the P5Q-E's OC settings. Once I get that stable, then I'll OC the 4870. I promise I'll come back and report the changes. Actually, I suppose I could do a quick OC test on the 4870 first before getting into the CPU, just for strictly comparison purposes.

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Hopefully I can put your mind at rest.

18K sounds like a 3DMark05 score if I'm honest. Even a oc'd GTX 280 is going to stuggle to hit 18k with an oc'd E6600 in 06.

It definitely was 3DMark06... again, I will not completely disagree that my memory may be incorrect, but I'm certain it would have been at least 15000

To look at the Crysis results, you've gone from 17 fps to 25 fps, an increase of 8 fps (or ~50%) over the stock GTS 640MB and 6 fps (or ~35%) over an oc'd GTS 640MB.

That's a pretty substantial improvement if you ask me, especially when you think that 17-19 fps is really not playable for Crysis, yet 25 fps actually is. And, you're still yet to overclock!

Yeah, I've been trying to look at it in that regards... and I'm now actually getting 26, nearly 27 avg FPS if I actually let it do the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th cycles (I get a lag spike on the first run through about 3 seconds into it). This is using all "custom" DX10 settings on DX9, and full AA. I might go back and do one more test using the 8800 just to see what it's like on the 2nd run through.

29 fps on Crysis previously will definitely have been with very different settings. There's no way a CPU overclock, even from 2.4Ghz to over 4Ghz would results in nearly doubling a GTS 640Mb's framerate.

Well, I may have been using a different "custom" cfg at that time... I thought I did a bench with my current settings, and it remained the same, but again, my memory may be failing me. I'm going to let go of what I previously did, and stick to the current info that I am now able to get.

The HD 4870 is working well, and it's kicking the GTS 640Mb's arse, even in a hugely nvidia biased game. Try COD4 or some other games that you've got to compare notes again if you want more proof

Do these other games have benchmarking tests, or ways to easily display FPS? I think I heard of a program called Fraps, I suppose I should look into getting that?

And, going back to your mate, if you can get a second card on the cheap - go for it
Thanks for your response, this is the kind of response I was hoping for, to alleviate some of my anxiety. My intention was to buy the 4870, and sell the 8800 GTS to recoup about half my cost, and was expecting to achieve clear as day results off the get go. Since I thought I was getting lower bench's, that obviously caused me to seriously reconsider my game plan, but now I think I can probably go ahead with it after all.
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You are correct. I am yet to attempt to OC the 4870 as of yet... I still have yet to get my CPU back up to speed, since I'm completely unfamiliar with the P5Q-E's OC settings. Once I get that stable, then I'll OC the 4870. I promise I'll come back and report the changes. Actually, I suppose I could do a quick OC test on the 4870 first before getting into the CPU, just for strictly comparison purposes.

Looking forward to it.. as I was getting great marks with my 8800GTS, and just ordered a 4870 to replace it on my Rampage X48 MB should be here on Tue.
    
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Well, I went ahead and OC'd the 4870... or at least as much as the CCC would allow (Core 790, Mem 1100), and here are the results:

Crysis GPU bench, 2nd fly through: 27.5 FPS avg
3DMark06 score: 11228

Looks like we're getting somewhere.
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E6600 Conroe ES - Lapped @ 3.45GHz Asus P5Q-E (formerly XFX nForce 680i LT SLI) Sapphire Radeon HD 4870(Formerly EVGA 8800GTS 640) 4GB (2x2GB) Corsair Dominator PC8500C5DF 
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3 x Western Digital 500GB SATA-II Pioneer DVR-212D & DVR-215 Windows XP (32-bit) LG Flatron L1751S 
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Toughpower 650W Thermaltake Soprano RS 
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E6600 Conroe ES - Lapped @ 3.45GHz Asus P5Q-E (formerly XFX nForce 680i LT SLI) Sapphire Radeon HD 4870(Formerly EVGA 8800GTS 640) 4GB (2x2GB) Corsair Dominator PC8500C5DF 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
3 x Western Digital 500GB SATA-II Pioneer DVR-212D & DVR-215 Windows XP (32-bit) LG Flatron L1751S 
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Toughpower 650W Thermaltake Soprano RS 
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