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Ron Gilbert is currently working with Hothead Games on his new game, Deathspank.
Ron Gilbert, the developer behind many of the old Lucasarts adventure games, thinks unions will play an important part in the growth of the gaming industry and that before the business can move forward the technology will need to slow to a more manageable rate.

"I think technology is moving forward really rapidly, and part of what a lot of teams do is exploring new technology, and I think that's kind of hard to do with an ad hoc thing," said Gilbert, who is currently working at Hothead Games on his new game, Deathspank.

The comments came as part of an interview with Gamasutra about the future of the industry and what part episodic gaming will play. Gilbert said that he thought that industry professionals would slowly make the move to a more Hollywood like structure, but that several things would have to change first.

One of the things that Gilbert thinks is integral to the future of the games industry is unionisation - a way to band together all the freelance developers.

"I don't think that you're going to be able to grab all of these freelance people when you need them if there isn't some kind of a union structure that's over the top of them. You can't really have a bunch of animators just floating around from job to job with nothing in between."

"I think there's going to have to be a lot more structure, and I think that's going to have to come in the form of unions - which, you know, I don't know that I really agree with that; I think unions bring a lot of bad things to gaming, but I think they're going to be necessary for us to move into that Hollywood model."
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I don't get it, they want to unionize so they can move 'forward' to a broken business model?
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Because unions did the public so much good with the writers' strike... I will never forgive them for letting reality TV be the only new programming available! Sometimes you just have to suck it up for the better of everyone else; especially when you are arguing over whether you get that 5th butler or not...
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Because unions did the public so much good with the writers' strike... I will never forgive them for letting reality TV be the only new programming available! Sometimes you just have to suck it up for the better of everyone else; especially when you are arguing over whether you get that 5th butler or not...
Those writers had the right to be payed for their work man. The big companies were selling their work online and giving the writers no compensation for it.

Don't claim to be anti-piracy in one thread, and then unsupportive of strikes in another. It kind of makes you look bad.

Sometimes the public needs to just suck it up and watch reruns or *gasp* go outside... instead of complaining about not having any new programs to get fatter in front of.
Edited by HugeDink - 7/7/08 at 12:59pm
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I don't get it, they want to unionize so they can move 'forward' to a broken business model?
No his idea is, if the software industry, or even video games, had some sort of unionized structure, then they could pressure the hardware industry to slow down so that programmers and all could actually optimize for the hardware, and wouldn't have such a hard time coding and creating things that run well.

EDIT: I need to read things, this was like the first thing I read when I woke up. I don't like where he's going with this, but I think unions could make development more managabe in some way. But it'd have to be the entire software industry, not just gaming. I mean we're still developing for 32-bit and single core, and just now moving onto 64-bit multi threaded programs. And all this tech has been around for around 3-5 years.
Edited by Ch13f121 - 7/7/08 at 12:25pm
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Those writers had the right to be payed for their work man. The big companies were selling their work online and giving the writers no compensation for it.

Don't claim to be anti-piracy in one thread, and then unsupportive of strikes in another. It kind of makes you look bad.

Sometimes the public needs to just suck it up and watch reruns or *gasp* go outside... instead of complaining about no new programs to get fatter in front of.
Did I say I was in favor of them not getting paid for their work? No, but I can understand why you would assume that given that I didn't explicitly state that fact. I can dislike a strike all I want, especially when I am affected by it, even if I am for the intended results of the strike. Sure it is a luxury to have a TV and programs to watch, but it doesn't mean I have to like it when they are taken away.

And thanks for bringing up piracy in this thread, even though it is unrelated! I'm sure it will help the direction of this thread immensely. Kudos. Regardless, one can dislike piracy and still think the corporations and musicians are whining too much. If you cannot see the difference then that's your problem and not mine. But kindly think through your arguments before you post them, especially when you insinuate things about people in the process.

As far as your other assumptions about the general public, I'm not even going to bother.
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Did I say I was in favor of them not getting paid for their work? No, but I can understand why you would assume that given that I didn't explicitly state that fact. I can dislike a strike all I want, especially when I am affected by it, even if I am for the intended results of the strike. Sure it is a luxury to have a TV and programs to watch, but it doesn't mean I have to like it when they are taken away.

And thanks for bringing up piracy in this thread, even though it is unrelated! I'm sure it will help the direction of this thread immensely. Kudos. Regardless, one can dislike piracy and still think the corporations and musicians are whining too much. If you cannot see the difference then that's your problem and not mine. But kindly think through your arguments before you post them, especially when you insinuate things about people in the process.

As far as your other assumptions about the general public, I'm not even going to bother.
I never insinuated anything about you. and I didn't "Bring up" piracy at all, I was just making a comparison. You're anti-piracy because you don't like it when Devs don't get paid for their work, I would assume. But you're against workers striking to be able to get paid for their work??? Doesn't make sense to me.

I could give a **** less when corporations whine. But it wasn't the corporations OR musicians.

It was underpaid writers.

Hypothetical: If you were an electrician, and you were getting paid $7.50 an hour and you couldn't continue to feed your kids or take showers, or watch T.V., would you appreciate if, when you went on strike for higher wages so you can do those things, People started throwing rocks at your house because their power went out for a day or two?

I certainly hope not.

Also, please take note of my use of the word Public in my previous post, I have nothing against you, and I wasn't aiming any of my arguments towards you, I had just seen way too many news reports of people getting almost violently angry over the fact that they couldn't watch new episodes of "Days of Our Lives". It was borderline disgusting.

If I had meant to attack you as a person in any way I would have said "People like you" and not "public". Sorry for any misunderstanding.

But thats so far off topic that I'm just going to end it.
Edited by HugeDink - 7/7/08 at 12:58pm
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Also, please take note of my use of the word Public in my previous post, I have nothing against you, and I wasn't aiming any of my arguments towards you
I didn't say you did. Quit assuming things as that is what lead you to the post to begin with! I already explained my position quite clearly and there should be no more confusion. Give me proof they were underpaid for what they do and I will eat my words.
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I really doubt unions are going to help at all. The best games that come out these days are from smaller companies it seems (Sins of a Solar Empire being one example). Unionizing would just make one big EA or something like that. I cringe even thinking about such an idea.
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