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All the piracy-hating corporations need to do is put up a thread on this forum that is against piracy and wait for a few days. All of the pirates will come out of the woodwork to complain that their privacy is being invaded because they can no longer steal, giving the corporations a nice list of the people to target.
Actually, I don't agree with piracy other than perhaps under specific circumstances.
But I also don't agree with people reading the **** I'm typing, sure most of it's harmless, but then it's open to interpretation.
Let's say I said I wanted to kill somebody, just typed it, in a pissed off mood.. What right does that give to a corporation or a government to then arrest me under terrorist laws or whatever the hell else excuse they'd try to pin on it, if they took it seriously?
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Actually, I don't agree with piracy other than perhaps under specific circumstances.
But I also don't agree with people reading the **** I'm typing, sure most of it's harmless, but then it's open to interpretation.
Let's say I said I wanted to kill somebody, just typed it, in a pissed off mood.. What right does that give to a corporation or a government to then arrest me under terrorist laws or whatever the hell else excuse they'd try to pin on it, if they took it seriously?
I was just saying...
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post #13 of 32
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I was just saying...
You wanna kill someone too?? Lets be friends!
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You wanna kill someone too?? Lets be friends!
I just made a comment about how people complain about their privacy being violated and used to expose them to the anti-piracy corporations, but that by complaining on a forum they are asking to be targeted. How that relates to murder or terrorism I haven't a clue; hence my comment that I was merely stating something (and not asking for more analogies).
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First there was the great Firewall of China..

And now "TEH EU'S LEET LIBERTY DESTRUCTORZ"

Nobody can police the Internet, they should stop trying.
haha so putting that in my sig thanks

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but that by complaining on a forum they are asking to be targeted. How that relates to murder or terrorism I haven't a clue;
My point is that as soon as you start trying to police the internet, they're going to have to siphon through everything you're doing.

You going to be watching some pr0n on your own, in the privacy?
The EU wants companies to be able to be there right with you, just to 'make sure you're not stealing their copyrights'

You going to be sending a PRIVATE dirty email to your girlfriend?
The EU wants some 50 year old bureaucratic and probably perverted security 'expert' to read through it to make sure you're not sending a copyrighted music file with it.

You want to browse the internet for something fairly innocent, just out of curiosity, let's say for example a disposable camera?
EU terrorist experts could be reading it, believing it to be the makings of some sort of bomb.

It's not just the fact that people are genuinely breaking the law are now being monitored, but EVERYBODY so they can allegedly catch people (Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?). That's where the privacy issue comes in. Maybe you don't mind, if you've got corporate or government eyes, watching you everywhere you go. In the middle of town (CCTV etc.)? Sure, acceptable I guess, philosophically I wouldn't be in favour, but.. people can see you whilst you're in public anyway. Whilst you're in your own home, allegedly alone? Sounds like some sort of horror movie to me.
Edited by Torched-Geek - 7/7/08 at 9:24am
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I wonder if thay really can track people who are bouncing proxy's?
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I wonder if thay really can track people who are bouncing proxy's?
Yep, that's easy.
All the data will have to go through the ISP, the ISP can just decrypt the packets. Invasion of privacy? Yep. Creepy? Yep.

In the UK though, something called the RIPA act makes companies legally have to have the ability to let the government do this as part of their infrastructure. :swearing:
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They'll never realise that it's an imposible task. Even if people like me get caught, others will keep on.
    
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My point is that as soon as you start trying to police the internet, they're going to have to siphon through everything you're doing.

You going to be watching some pr0n on your own, in the privacy?
The EU wants companies to be able to be there right with you, just to 'make sure you're not stealing their copyrights'

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The EU wants some 50 year old bureaucratic and probably perverted security 'expert' to read through it to make sure you're not sending a copyrighted music file with it.

You want to browse the internet for something fairly innocent, just out of curiosity, let's say for example a disposable camera?
EU terrorist experts could be reading it, believing it to be the makings of some sort of bomb.

It's not just the fact that people are genuinely breaking the law are now being monitored, but EVERYBODY so they can allegedly catch people (Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?). That's where the privacy issue comes in. Maybe you don't mind, if you've got corporate or government eyes, watching you everywhere you go. In the middle of town (CCTV etc.)? Sure, acceptable I guess, philosophically I wouldn't be in favour, but.. people can see you whilst you're in public anyway. Whilst you're in your own home, allegedly alone? Sounds like some sort of horror movie to me.
Relax. I never said this was a good idea...
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