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Originally Posted by Torched-Geek View Post
Yep, that's easy.
All the data will have to go through the ISP, the ISP can just decrypt the packets. Invasion of privacy? Yep. Creepy? Yep.

In the UK though, something called the RIPA act makes companies legally have to have the ability to let the government do this as part of their infrastructure. :swearing:
There will always be ways around that though. First thought is a laptop user piggybacking various connections.
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They'll never realise that it's an imposible task. Even if people like me get caught, others will keep on.
I know how to end piracy... (stupid idea but interesting to imagine)
What if every time a game was bought, a numbered ball would drop into a room. The amount of balls in the room would be the number of people who could play it. So when you run your numbered game, your numbered ball is taken from the room. You can't play the game if you don't have a numbered ball.

This is kinda like the code we have to put in now, except it is a physical system. Feel free to tell me how this makes no sense and wouldn't work
Edited by HiddenPenguin - 7/7/08 at 11:14am
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I know how to end piracy... (stupid idea but interesting to imagine)
What if every time a game was bought, a numbered ball would drop into a room. The amount of balls in the room would be the number of people who could play it. So when you run your numbered game, your numbered ball is taken from the room. You can't play the game if you don't have a numbered ball.

This is kinda like the code we have to but in now, except it is a physical system. Feel free to tell me how this makes no sense and wouldn't work
Either the room would have to be massive or the balls tiny
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Either the room would have to be massive or the balls tiny
Millions of them.
They'd be even harder to manage as well.
It would be completely pointless.
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I tought democracy is that? The people elect leaders and they rule.
Last time I checked Canada was a democracy, just like EU countries.
Yep, but we didn't elect the EU government at all. I still refuse to recognise it as an authority over me and that very opinion of mine would hold in court.
    
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I tought democracy is that? The people elect leaders and they rule.
Last time I checked Canada was a democracy, just like EU countries.
There are a few things you need to learn:

1. Governments don't have absolute power and cannot due whatever they want. Citizens have inherent God-given rights that are not granted to them by the government nor can they be taken away by the government. Just because you are the elected leader of a country doesn't give you, or 51% of the people, the right to do whatever you want.

2. Most of the countries that you consider to be democratic are not. Which is a good thing.

" A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."

- Thomas Jefferson
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The EU is hardly democratic:

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Valéry Giscard d’Estaing, author of the rejected European Constitution, has effectively stated that the votes of citizens in EU member states will have no bearing on the future actions of the European Parliament.
http://www.infowars.com/?p=2908

And since the votes of citizens don't count at any level, even indirectly, then that rules out a representative government as well. As the EU is currently governing without a ratified constitution that means it is a de facto government rather a de jure government. The former is a government cobbled together of necessity, the latter a government by will of a free people assembled to create a legitimate quorum.

De facto states are by nature controlling, meddling, and even dictatorial - as any US citizen born since the American Civil War could tell you. Lincoln imposed just such a government after the Southern states simply walked out of Congress without properly adjourning the session, thereby breaking the quorum. Lincoln had no real choice but to impose the government on the North to keep things running, and no chance to take it back before he died. Reconstruction went horribly wrong, with the South becoming occupied territory quardened off in control grids, unjustified lynchings by blue coats, and when the Southern senators and representatives voted wrong they were simply replaced. The Constitution was never properly re-ratified in a vote of a FREE people. Therefore there is no quorum, no legitimate government in this country. It continues to be de facto, not de jure, which is why the President still has the power of executive order, guaranteeing the ability to rule by decree.

Basically the whole world is run by corrupt thugs that make all the decisions because they have more money and can tell the troops to shoot you. In fact a former Communist party member from the Soviet days had this to say about the EU:

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"It is no accident that the European Parliament, for example, reminds me of the Supreme Soviet. It looks like the Supreme Soviet because it was designed like it. Similarly, when you look at the European Commission it looks like the Politburo. I mean it does so exactly, except for the fact that the Commission now has 25 members and the Politburo usually had 13 or 15 members. Apart from that they are exactly the same, unaccountable to anyone, not directly elected by anyone at all. When you look into all this bizarre activity of the European Union with its 80,000 pages of regulations it looks like Gosplan. We used to have an organisation which was planning everything in the economy, to the last nut and bolt, five years in advance. Exactly the same thing is happening in the EU. When you look at the type of EU corruption, it is exactly the Soviet type of corruption, going from top to bottom rather than going from bottom to top."
- Vladimir Bukovksy
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...ctatorship.htm

another great exchange:
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PB: But all these countries that joined the European Union did so voluntarily.

VB: No, they did not. Look at Denmark which voted against the Maastricht treaty twice. Look at Ireland [which voted against the Nice treaty]. Look at many other countries, they are under enormous pressure. It is almost blackmail. Switzerland was forced to vote five times in a referendum. All five times they have rejected it, but who knows what will happen the sixth time, the seventh time. It is always the same thing. It is a trick for idiots. The people have to vote in referendums until the people vote the way that is wanted. Then they have to stop voting. Why stop? Let us continue voting. The European Union is what Americans would call a shotgun marriage.
original source of the quotes:
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865
Edited by Jarhead - 7/7/08 at 11:17pm
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Well nobody can police the internet as stated before...

And if you don't like it - then don't surf the internet???
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This is retarded. Thety should let all of Europe vote
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Well nobody can police the internet as stated before...

And if you don't like it - then don't surf the internet???
Nobody can police it yet. The governments of the world are working on it. The new security and encryption protocols being built into Web 2.0 are the begining. The end is when supercomputers are set up to run AI's that tirelessly scan every single piece of data for any signs of copyright infringement, sedition, or even something as basic as independent thought and questioning the party line. From there the AI lists the person as someone to be picked up, and hands the assignment to the AI 's managing the CCTV cameras and employing their facial recognition capabilities to find the person somewhere along his/her route to work. The AI's send the location in real-time to the uniformed thugs which then grab him/her right off the street, and that person may not be seen again.

That's where all of this is heading. You can let the powers-that-screw-you-over win by default, or you can make some noise which still includes the possibility of losing if you don't make enough or the right kind.
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