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Better craftsmanship, faster speeds....mm hmm

But how does being more expensive make a card better?
no i meant the opposite, ie agree

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The better card is the one that performs the best. Not the one that performs the best, for the right price. That's the better value card.
Not necessarily.
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The better card is the one that performs the best. Not the one that performs the best, for the right price. That's the better value card.

I'd rather not spend the extra cash on a GTX 280, get two HD4870x2's and then spend the rest on more Hard Drive space, a better case, TV tuner card, More RAM, etc.
    
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Yep seems a fact hard to understand by the NVanbois. But here's my shot at explaining it:

NVidia takes the "All GPU power on a single chip" approach. It's only moderately scalable.

ATI takes the "GPU power split over multiple chips" approach. Cheaper to manufacture, less die size, more yields, highly scalable.

Considering this, the comparisson that needs to be made is NVidia's 1 chip v.s. ATI's 2 chip.

In terms of GPU power, a one core 4870 is only half the GPU power they can stack on a single card. Ofcourse ATI could develop 2 4870s and the bridge on one single die. Cost effective? Heck no! Much larger die, different die design (remember dies are made using "masks"). Designing a new mask, let alone producing it is COSTLY.

ATI can do with just one GPU die and with that single die design make a low end, a mid end AND a high-end card (4850 which is just a 4870 that won't clock as high, the lower binned chip being the low end. The 4870 the mid end, and the 4870X2 to be released the high-end).

The approach ATI is taking pays off tremendously in price/performance, AND for this generation will outperform NVidia's offering by a large margin.

If Crossfire could be TRI'ed, sure a legit comparisson would be TRI GTX280 vs TRI 4870x2. Guess which one would smoke which? At a lower price too?

In a closing I'll just say I'm no fanboy. I have an NVIDIA 8800GTX still. An NVIDIA 790i board. But that 8800GTX is going to be replaced by an 4870x2 when it comes out. Before the Core2 era, I proudly owned AMD. I just go what offers me the best performance within a value range.
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dnt be mad ppl its great PRICE WARS
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LMAO, very true!
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Truth be told when I first entered the Enthusiast scene I was an ATi fan. Have always extoled thier uniqueness and performance. But after early 2000's I was absolutely horrified how its reputation for stability and performance slipped. Myriad of incompatabilities, and games that just didnt like its drivers. And turned me to the Green Group, and have been green since then.

But with the recent price drops due to AMD/ATi's marketing strategies, for that I thank them once again

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