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post #1 of 24
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Making a new computer after not having paid attention to parts at all. I've been researching things the past few days but I'm still not sure of things. Here's what I was thinking.

E8400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115037
I'm mostly going to be gaming and while I never overclocked before it seems everyone does it now and it's easy so I figured I might as well try. But would a Q6600 last longer? I want to not have to do any major upgrades for a good 2 or so years, and be able to play on high settings on new games for once.

DFI Blood Iron
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813136038
The motherboard is the main thing that's driving me insane in this. I don't want to spend too much on it because then I'd have to downgrade something else most likely, and I don't want to do that, but every board under $130 which is what I've been looking at seems to have different kinds of issues. Again, not planning on overclocking too much but a bit would be nice and a stable motherboard with minimal problems with compatability or reliability is mainly what I'm looking for.

2gb DDR2 800 Gskill
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231098
I hope this stuff works because some reviews said problems with voltage or something. I was going to get Corsair but I wasn't sure after reading reviews.

Visiontek 4850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814129112
Was going to get a 8800GT but everyone told me this was better and not much more, the 8800s have gone down in price like $20 since I started looking so I'm not sure again.

Antec 300
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129042
The 900 is on rebate for $40 now making it only $10(really like $30 still counting in taxes and shipping so that's why I'm hesitant about getting it unless it's really that much better, also no fan filters but I could put some in I guess) more.

Corsair 650w psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139005

I'll just use my current 160gb Barracuda hard drive for now as I didn't fill it in 2 years of having it, it's not SATA though, I'm not sure how much slower that makes things. I'll also be using my old DVD drive, won't match the case but whatever.

So, all this look good? Anything you'd change? Q6600 over E8400 or anything? My main thing is which will last longer, since they're both still good cpus either way right?
Edited by Ratface - 7/7/08 at 7:43pm
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post #2 of 24
Hmm seems fine but really just getting a q6600 will really help in the future as more hyperthreading is used. Umm you should also look into aftermarket cooling as that is really what will keep you from having to spend more on parts in the future as the cooler they run...the longer.

The antec 900 really has alot more airflow then the 300 and isnt as cramped...i dont think you could fit that video card inside the 300.
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The 300 is really that much smaller? The specs say it's only an inch or so shorter and .1" longer, unless they've got the measurements backwards or something and it's really an inch longer, but still, could that make much difference? And I was thinking of aftermarket cooling but I'm pretty much at my budget already with those parts, adding a Q6600 would be about the most I'd really spend, although I guess I could get it without the stock cooler which was $20 off I think, then put that towards something about that price.

Is the motherboard good? And in my current case I've got some case fans I was thinking I could just stick in the side spot to cool the video card since it runs hot apparently, at least to cool it a bit until a good aftermarket cooler comes out for it.
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I just read someone talking about getting a Q6600 for a year or two then replacing it with some 8 core Nehemiah thing, what is that? Is that going to be AMD's new cpus? Because if they're supposed to get good again I was thinking maybe I could just get a lower end cpu like a E7200 or so and just overclock it more by putting more money into a cooler, and then replace it with one of those new AMDs or a new Intel if AMD isn't good again. I hope they do because I like them more, this build will be my first time with an Intel in, pretty much ever.
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post #5 of 24
If you're looking to not buy another CPU for a few years, the Q6600 is your man. Don't skimp on the CPU because you can't change things like the cache and the multi (beyond a certain point, of course ). Those chips might seem attractive, but trust me, there's a reason to buy up to the next level. Also, that BI is a fantastic OC'ing board, you'll love it. You'll be fine with G.Skill, they make great sticks for OC'ing. Most of the people who review on Newegg complain when they OC the hell out of something on stock volts and then wonder what went wrong. Uh, you shouldn't need the Corsair 650W for a single video card, especially a 4850, get the 520W. Other than that, seems good, have fun!
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post #6 of 24
I'd recommend getting a q6600 or a q6700 rather than that e8400. Also, I'd recommend the DFI DK Lanparty p35 over the bloodiron, and it doesn't cost too much more.


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post #7 of 24
I honestly don't see quad-core gaming becoming too prevalent in the next two years. Pretty much the only game that takes (good) advantage of quad core right now is Supreme Commander. Future RTS games will probably also do so, so if you're big on RTS, go quad core. Otherwise, the 8400 will OC higher than the q6600 and will be a much better gaming CPU for the next couple of years. The 7200 is also a good OC'er. I wouldn't be too worried about CPU power if you're going to be upgrading in 2 years...you shouldn't be CPU-bound in games with any of those processors when OC'ed.

The Blood Iron is a pretty good board. As is the LanParty. Some other good choices include the Abit IP35-Pro (you can find one used for 110 or so...I can't remember how much the IP35-Pro XE that replaced it costs) and the Gigabyte DS3L (DS3R if you need RAID).

I wouldn't worry much about Nehalem. It's Intel's new chip. It will require a new board, a new chip, and new ram, all of which will be expensive for a good while. It's supposed to be out at the end of 2008, so prices will probably be more reasonable mid 2009.

If you want to save a few bucks, you might want to order the Corsair from Provantage. It should be cheaper there after rebate (for reference, my 750TX cost $10 less than that after rebate and shipping). You can also get lower speed ram and/or something with a rebate to bring costs down there. You can also save some money if you shop around on the 4850. The lowest I've seen one is for 145 after rebate, but it wasn't a Visiontek (if the lifetime warranty is important to you).
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The first few games that will take advantage of the cores will all be RTS oriented, because they don't focus on graphics so much as extreme number crunching. SC2 is SUPPOSED to be threaded for a quad, but we'll see. I have some shred of faith that Blizzard can do something right.
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post #9 of 24
May change the board to the DFI P35 Dark.
post #10 of 24
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That provantage site doesn't have taxes? I guess I'm buying whatever I can from them then. I'm also going to go check local computer stores for prices, see if I can't save some money on shipping, plus have a place where I could bring any problematic parts right back to.

And is the 650w psu going to use ridiculous amounts of energy and run up my power bill or are you just saying to save some money on the thing itself because going down to a 500w or the 520 modular one isn't much cheaper from what I've looked at. Also, the 520hx says it only gives 18amps over each 12v line, but the 650 said 60A, am I misunderstanding something? The 520 says it only has 1 12v thing anyway, does each of the 3 lines combine or something and really you are getting like 50A? Would the 520W really be enough power because I originally was going to get a 500w anyway but someone told me the 4850 uses a lot of power and would only be safe with at least 650. Also, upgradability, I don't want to upgrade the video card in a year or two and not have enough power and have to buy one again.

The Lanparty looks good, but what's the difference between it or the Blood Iron? From reviews many people seem to have had issues with RAM, I shouldn't have any problems with the Gskill(I think I'll just get the 2gb*2 pack) should I? Have any of you with Lanparty's had any issues with it?

My current computer had an ABit and for not overclocking or anything it did me fine, almost 5 years without a problem, are they still good? Overclockable, stable? The IP35 pro is $120 but has no reviews.

Still debating over the E8400 or Q6600. Would I have any problems maxing out games if I were to get a Q6600 over a E8400, overclocked or not? Supreme Commander is one of the games I really want to play but I'd like to play some FPSs too and I'd like to be able to max out new games or at least have them on high for a while for once. Or would I not be able to do that even with an E8400 without spending like $2000?

Last I think I'll get the 900, just get some filters for it. I know I still have to clean it out anyway, I just figured with some fan filters I'd save money on air cans not wasting a whole one trying to blast out dust that refuses to leave me case like I've been doing, just get to clean out the filters every once in a while. The 900 also comes with all the fan slots filled already unlike the 300 right? And would I not be able to use the firewire thing if the motherboard doesn't have it? I don't know what firewire's for anyway I'd just like to know. And all the fans should keep my 4850 pretty cool without any aftermarket cooling right? I mean I'm sure I'll still have to raise the fan speed but that doesn't bother me so long as it's not going to damage the card.

Last, I've managed a few more dollars so I think I'll definitely be getting the 4gb of RAM(Gskill is good right?) and a CPU cooler, can you recommend a good one preferably about $40-$50 that you know will fit on those boards?
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