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I was going to switch to AMD once the new 45nm processors come out and the new & improved SB hit as well. I'm sure the 9950 at 3.2GHz would give a Q6600 a run for it's money, no?
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Originally Posted by FuNkDrSpOt View Post
It's still 65nm.
Yea, that's the point. It'll likely be the last 65nm Phenom, so it's like a farewell to the process.

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I was going to switch to AMD once the new 45nm processors come out and the new & improved SB hit as well.
Wise decision, I'm waiting for that myself as well.

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I'm sure the 9950 at 3.2GHz would give a Q6600 a run for it's money, no?
At stock Q6600 speeds? I don't doubt that it would beat it then.
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Yea, that's the point. It'll likely be the last 65nm Phenom, so it's like a farewell to the process.



Wise decision, I'm waiting for that myself as well.



At stock Q6600 speeds? I don't doubt that it would beat it then.
Well, I meant with the Q6600 @ 3.0-3.2GHz.
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And thus there was a somber farewell to 65nm Phenoms.
Then I guess we are going to have to wait a long time to see a 45nm Phenom? Shanghai is slated for Q1 09 right?
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Then I guess we are going to have to wait a long time to see a 45nm Phenom? Shanghai is slated for Q1 09 right?
The last that I read, Shanghai is slated for volume production and availability in Q4. It is unclear, though, as to whether this includes both Opterons and Phenoms.

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Well, I meant with the Q6600 @ 3.0-3.2GHz.
Typically a Phenom will need to clock ~100MHz higher to beat a C2Q on the image processing and encoding benchmarks, so a 3.2GHz 9950 would beat a 3.0-3.1GHz Q6600. As far as real-world gaming goes (as in not 1024x768 @ low settings), there will be hardly any difference if the Phenom doesn't pull ahead slightly.
Edited by darkcloud89 - 7/7/08 at 9:35pm
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At stock Q6600 speeds? I don't doubt that it would beat it then.
Well, technically 3GHz or 3.2GHz will be "default" speed for this CPU as long as you have the correct south bridge. The SB600 = 2.6 SB700= 2.8/3 and SB750 = 3/3.2
I forget the actual speeds but I do now there will be an automatic speed increase by default if you have the certain bridges.
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The last that I read, Shanghai is slated for volume production and availability in Q4. It is unclear, though, as to whether this includes both Opterons and Phenoms.
And you predict it will be faster than Core 3 Quad (clock for clock or absolutely), use less power, and be priced competitively?
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45nm Phenom are the one that look good right now
    
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And you predict it will be faster than Core 3 Quad (clock for clock or absolutely), use less power, and be priced competitively?
I don't think that they've released enough information to say for certain, but worst case scenario it should be as competitive as Phenom is now. There are a number of factors that are going to come into play with the new Phenoms:

*Is the L3 cache faster?
*How much will the additional cache help? (it should pay off in the encoding numbers where C2Q has a slight edge on the Phenom)
*Will SOI+Ultra-Low-K work out?
*Will DDR2 vs DDR3 be significant?
*What core tweaks have they done?

AMD is still being pretty quiet about Shanghai, even though they do have working silicon. Mostly what K10.5 has is potential. This potential was there for K10 too, but the 6 months they lost cleaning up the TLB situation really held it back. I think that if they would have avoided that, the Phenom today would be a little more competitive against C2Q.

The other interesting thing to look out for is when AMD adopts HK/MG technology into their 45nm process, code name "Hydra" (sort of K10.6, it's a minor architecture revision as well, test production begins Q1 2009). At this point they will have DSL SOI, Ultra-Low K interconnects, Hi-K oxides, and metal gates all in one process.
Edited by darkcloud89 - 7/7/08 at 9:56pm
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Given AMD's track record of new manufacturing releases, I'm going to say that we're not going to see huge volumes of the 45nm parts until mid/end of Q1 '09 even though they say that they are on track for release at the end of this year. Even then, since Opterons have a higher profit margin, I would imagine that AMD would put a slightly higher priority in getting more Opty's out before Phenoms get out so we'll probably won't be seeing volume 45nm Phenoms until Q2 '09.
    
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