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AMD is so lagging behind Intel right now. They're JUST NOW releasing quads that can FINALLY compete against the Q6600. I mean when was the Q6600 released, late 2006? They don't even have DDR3 boards out yet. They're like a year and a half behind Intel, CPU-wise. I wonder when they will release something that will have Intel trying to catch up, if even that becomes a scenario. Doubt it would happen any time soon. It'll be 10 years before AMD can release something that will match up against the QX9770, and even Nehalem. I remember a year ago when people were convinced that the Phenom would topple Intel's C2D's/Q's, ha.
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I don't think that they've released enough information to say for certain, but worst case scenario it should be as competitive as Phenom is now. There are a number of factors that are going to come into play with the new Phenoms:

*Is the L3 cache faster?
*How much will the additional cache help? (it should pay off in the encoding numbers where C2Q has a slight edge on the Phenom)
*Will SOI+Ultra-Low-K work out?
*Will DDR2 vs DDR3 be significant?
*What core tweaks have they done?

AMD is still being pretty quiet about Shanghai, even though they do have working silicon. Mostly what K10.5 has is potential. This potential was there for K10 too, but the 6 months they lost cleaning up the TLB situation really held it back. I think that if they would have avoided that, the Phenom today would be a little more competitive against C2Q.

The other interesting thing to look out for is when AMD adopts HK/MG technology into their 45nm process, code name "Hydra" (sort of K10.6, it's a minor architecture revision as well, test production begins Q1 2009). At this point they will have DSL SOI, Ultra-Low K interconnects, Hi-K oxides, and metal gates all in one process.
So why are you holding out on a processor you quite frankly don't know if it will preform? Why don't you go with a Yorkfield / Bloomsfield for your next build?

Just curious?

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Given AMD's track record of new manufacturing releases, I'm going to say that we're not going to see huge volumes of the 45nm parts until mid/end of Q1 '09 even though they say that they are on track for release at the end of this year. Even then, since Opterons have a higher profit margin, I would imagine that AMD would put a slightly higher priority in getting more Opty's out before Phenoms get out so we'll probably won't be seeing volume 45nm Phenoms until Q2 '09.
Agreed.
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Given AMD's track record of new manufacturing releases, I'm going to say that we're not going to see huge volumes of the 45nm parts until mid/end of Q1 '09 even though they say that they are on track for release at the end of this year. Even then, since Opterons have a higher profit margin, I would imagine that AMD would put a slightly higher priority in getting more Opty's out before Phenoms get out so we'll probably won't be seeing volume 45nm Phenoms until Q2 '09.
I wouldn't be surprised if they release the 45nm Phenoms ahead of schedule man... the 4-series has given AMD boatloads of cash.
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Here it is on newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103273
Edited by ChrisB17 - 7/7/08 at 10:07pm
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I wouldn't be surprised if they release the 45nm Phenoms ahead of schedule man... the 4-series has given AMD boatloads of cash.
Where are you getting this information from? You clearly are a little naive here (and don't take that personally). This late in the game a processor launch has little to do with available funds.

Anyways I am really curious about where you got that profit boost info from?
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If this is the case, then unless this chip is under some intensive speed binning, the 9850BE is a better deal.
I remember reading somewhere that they're going to stop making 9850BE's anymore and are going to make regular 9850's

Better buy a 9850BE quick
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Originally Posted by Cheetos316 View Post
Given AMD's track record of new manufacturing releases, I'm going to say that we're not going to see huge volumes of the 45nm parts until mid/end of Q1 '09 even though they say that they are on track for release at the end of this year. Even then, since Opterons have a higher profit margin, I would imagine that AMD would put a slightly higher priority in getting more Opty's out before Phenoms get out so we'll probably won't be seeing volume 45nm Phenoms until Q2 '09.
Definitely makes sense to get those Opterons out first. Not only for the higher profit margins, but to get to the market alongside Nehalem. According to Fudzilla, Q4 is actually volume production. If it was last year, I'd probably be laughing at this, but given the RV770 I'm cautiously optimistic.

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So why are you holding out on a processor you quite frankly don't know if it will preform? Why don't you go with a Yorkfield / Bloomsfield for your next build?

Just curious?
My upgrade path isn't set in stone, could change at any time. If Bloomfield is both spectacular and I can afford it (this is a big part of it), that's what I'll go with. I don't see that happening right now, but I won't hesitate to spend the money if I'm wrong. The K10.5 is just what it looks like I'll be doing at the moment. My next build will probably be in Nov/Dec (I might have the 4870 before then), so there's plenty of time for it to change.

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I wouldn't be surprised if they release the 45nm Phenoms ahead of schedule man... the 4-series has given AMD boatloads of cash.
Pauldovi is right, at this point any extra cash wouldn't do anything to speed up production.
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AMD is so lagging behind Intel right now. They're JUST NOW releasing quads that can FINALLY compete against the Q6600. I mean when was the Q6600 released, late 2006? They don't even have DDR3 boards out yet. They're like a year and a half behind Intel, CPU-wise. I wonder when they will release something that will have Intel trying to catch up, if even that becomes a scenario. Doubt it would happen any time soon. It'll be 10 years before AMD can release something that will match up against the QX9770, and even Nehalem. I remember a year ago when people were convinced that the Phenom would topple Intel's C2D's/Q's, ha.
The K10 only needs to be 100MHz faster than the Core 2 to be as fast as it.
I wouldn't say they are way behind. They can't have DDR3 boards out now because the latest socket only supports DDR2 1066, AMD processors have a on board memory controller so DDR3 = New socket. DDR3 for AMD is going to come with the Socket AM3. Socket AM3/45nm Phenoms and LGA1366/Nehalem will be interseting, but if AMD can get the clocks on the K10 higher, then there is nothing to stop them, not to mention Istanbul will bring 6 cores. For now, AMD has ATi dominating the GPU market and AMD dominating the Server market with the Barcelona Opterons.

AMD isn't as far back as you think.
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If I'm looking at this correctly, there really isn't a benefit from the 9850 BE to this new 9950 BE correct?
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If I'm looking at this correctly, there really isn't a benefit from the 9850 BE to this new 9950 BE correct?
you can ask the same question with the q6600 and q6700.
9950 could be higher binned or most likely to be the exact same chips as the 9850's but with some more voltage so thats what gives it a nice tdp of 140.

Of course the tdp ain't that alarming since they got the intergrated memory controler and all. Plus people ocing their e8400's and q6600 raise their power consumption a ton as well.

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I wouldn't be surprised if they release the 45nm Phenoms ahead of schedule man... the 4-series has given AMD boatloads of cash.
Yea the profit from the 4 series won't help their cpu department. The extra cash can be used for R&D for w/e AMD wants, like how samsung uses it left over cash from tvs and dvd players etc. for R&D for ram, but the problem with the phenom is not the funds but the bad yields in higher clocked cpus.

Why bad yields? Probably cuz they packed so much stuff into the phenom.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...E15346,00.html
So a 45nm is a must for AMD right now, but Intel is one step faster yet again
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