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I went phenom for my htpc build on a 780G. Because DAAMIT nailed the htpc market with that mobo and I love it

I've since added a 4850 to the 780G and it's a more than decent gaming rig too and that's comparing it to my X48 Rampage rig with a Q6600 @ 3.6Ghz.

Plus the Phenom sticker on a rig looks waaay cooler than the Intel one
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Originally Posted by dr_bowtie View Post
not really so....

as I have pointed out I own 6 AMD (AM2) rigs and 1 Intel rig (Q6700) and while the Intel rig is faster at 99% of things it's not really faster in some things like gaming....

this rig....
Biostar 7050-M2 HDMI
5000BE 2.8ghz
7600gt
SataI 74gig (71kb/s)

loads faster in some games than this rig....

Asus P5E-VM HDMI
Q6700 3.0ghz
9600gt
Sata II 640 AAKS (95kb/s)


I cannot tell you why the AMD rig loads faster but it does.....but only by a second or 2

when gaming you cant tell a difference between the 2 rigs....

both are on fresh installs with latest drivers (fastest drivers at that)
Woah! Your hdds do 71 and 95 kilobytes a second?!
 
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Fanboyism,intel's quads own the phenoms in every single aspect.
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Fanboyism,intel's quads own the phenoms in every single aspect.
Go do some research, that is just plain wrong. Fanboyism is one thing, but dissing a company just because the other side of the market is what's "Faster" right now is another. Phenom's are faster in some things, including 3d Rendering.
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Fanboyism,intel's quads own the phenoms in every single aspect.
Or how about just plain old personal preference?

There's nothing wrong with having choices and choosing something other than the so-called best.

"Fanboyism" goes in all directions, by the way.
    
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I'm happy there are fan boys out there and people who buy the Phenom processor. It's all about competive pricing, and it helps keep intel in check.
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Originally Posted by dr_bowtie View Post
not really so....

as I have pointed out I own 6 AMD (AM2) rigs and 1 Intel rig (Q6700) and while the Intel rig is faster at 99% of things it's not really faster in some things like gaming....

this rig....
Biostar 7050-M2 HDMI
5000BE 2.8ghz
7600gt
SataI 74gig (71kb/s)

loads faster in some games than this rig....

Asus P5E-VM HDMI
Q6700 3.0ghz
9600gt
Sata II 640 AAKS (95kb/s)


I cannot tell you why the AMD rig loads faster but it does.....but only by a second or 2

when gaming you cant tell a difference between the 2 rigs....

both are on fresh installs with latest drivers (fastest drivers at that)
You can't compare different rigs with entirely different components and come to the conclusion that the one that loads a game faster does so because of the CPU. There are so many other factors to consider--in addition to disk speeds. RAM bandwidth, disk controller bandwidths, FSB speeds, memory controller, etc.

Re: OP--why not? If I had an AM2/AM2+ X2 rig, and I wanted to go quad-core, I wouldn't buy a completely new motherboard, CPU (and possibly RAM, though not necessarily) to do so--that would be a waste when one can spend a couple hundred bucks (give or take) and have a new quad core--as opposed to spending a couple hundred bucks for a C2Q, a hundred bucks for a new mobo that's capable of OC'ing it, (and possibly RAM, though not necessarily). Unless someone wanted to experience a C2Q system--which is fine--there's no point. The performance, while intel is faster now, is not HUGE--it's not like going from a single-core pentiumD to a C2D or C2Q. So it's not black and white, but rather varying shades of gray right now.
    
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You're kidding about the last part aren't ya?? Please say you are.
I doubt he is kidding about Intel being easy to OC. Before my E6300 I only had AMD cpu's, and it takes more time to get a decent OC out of an AMD cpu. So yes, Intel cpu's are easier to OC. I clocked this E6300 to 2.8Ghz right out of the box and was amazed at how easy it was.

Now when it comes to choosing between a Phenom and a Q6600, I would say go with whatever is cheaper. It's not like the Q6600 is that much better. However, over here the 9850BE costs €190 and the Q6600 costs €150 (€40 is 62 USD). Then the choice is easily made unless you already own an AM2+ board.
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Fanboyism,intel's quads own the phenoms in every single aspect.
I know that if I had an intel quad I would not own a phenom.

EDIT: Don't look down, it destroys my entire argument!
Edited by rpm666 - 7/8/08 at 10:19am
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I doubt he is kidding about Intel being easy to OC. Before my E6300 I only had AMD cpu's, and it takes more time to get a decent OC out of an AMD cpu. So yes, Intel cpu's are easier to OC. I clocked this E6300 to 2.8Ghz right out of the box and was amazed at how easy it was.

Now when it comes to choosing between a Phenom and a Q6600, I would say go with whatever is cheaper. It's not like the Q6600 is that much better. However, over here the 9850BE costs €190 and the Q6600 costs €150 (€40 is 62 USD). Then the choice is easily made unless you already own an AM2+ board.
Yes, that was my experience too--it was so difficult to OC my previous S939 system (cpu wasn't a great clocker, plus it seemed like the most miniscule changes I made could cause a no-POST). My budget e2180 on the other hand--all I did was leave all the voltages to auto, bump the FSB from 200 to 300MHz (yes, I didn't go in increments at all), and it ran rock-stable at 3GHz indefinitely. Now, that also has to do with the motherboard being used--unfortunately I was OC'ing my S939 rig with a DFI board--the up-side to the DFI enthusiast boards is they have tons of tweaking options--the down-side to the DFI enthusiast boards is that they have tons of tweaking options, LOL. Personally, I don't want my OC to take forever. Anyhoo, I agree--I found intels easier to OC than AMD's, but perhaps that's changed with the AM2/AM2+ architecture.
    
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