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Sounds to me like a Driver problem more then anything, I'm not to knowledged up on the nvidia drivers but I would try Fully uninstalling with a DC Pro as well after and then trying out some different versions. 8.3 left my crossfire giving me less performance while 8.2 increased it significantly. Sometimes the drivers are just painful.
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Well i dont know if avg would effect 3dmark o6 but i just disabled avg and ran onother test and went from 8404 to 8749.

As for drivers iv tried 3 differant ones now, none make or seem to make any differances. Ill have to do more benchmarking test, cant test on lotro as its maintainance day. lol
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Well i dont know if avg would effect 3dmark o6 but i just disabled avg and ran onother test and went from 8404 to 8749.

As for drivers iv tried 3 differant ones now, none make or seem to make any differances. Ill have to do more benchmarking test, cant test on lotro as its maintainance day. lol
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no man it cool, i need all the info and help i can get lol.
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Your 3dmark score with that proc, not overclocked, sounds about right. That particular test is heavily CPU dependent at this point, mostly cause it's pretty old, but also because it actually TESTS your cpu as part of your score. Aquamark is pretty much JUST a cpu test at this point, it's friggin WAY old. As a real general rule, the higher the FPS's go in a benchmark, the more likely it is your cpu will start to slow you down. Aquamark, for example, is just SO easy, graphics-wise, that a modern card like an 8800GT can run it at 200FPS or more. But because your cpu has to make calculations for various parts of the tests at the same time, and it CAN'T make them at 200FPS, you end up with a score like you had, which indicates about 90-something FPS average. I can get nearly 200K on that test, with only a slightly better graphics card (and in fact, that small difference doesn't even MATTER, as it's PURELY based on the fact that I have a core2duo at 4.0MHz, which is twice as fast as your am2 4600).

This being said, your cpu IS fast enough to probably run ANY game or test out there at at least 35-40fps, which is really all you *need* for smooth gameplay in any game. So I would not count on a CPU change, especially not one to just a slightly faster AMD, to make a huge difference in your gameplay experience.

Are you sure the problem ain't just your interwebz, since you're talking about an online game? Some ISP's do some funky stuff where even though you have a lot of bandwidth, you still don't get very good gaming performance over the connection. I forget why that is, though. Maybe someone else knows...
    
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Interesting read, my internet is with BT and i get 8mb download with a 512mb upload (iirc). None of the other games have any difficulty with lag. Cod4, Medal of honour airbourne, Grid.

I went out today and bought a 6000+ both 3d mark and aquamark had a improvement. But lotro still bums out, im getting still only 15-25fps while playing away with the bad guys.


I disabled AVG totally, i have also borrowed another 8600gt of a friend and his is the same in my machine.. I ran a speedtest.net test and im not getting capped and my ping ingame is only 50ms.

Iv rechecked all drivers tried differant drivers but nothing helps, What other factors could cause loss of fps..??? Motherboard fault??? HDD fault. there the only 2 things i havent changed lately..


Im getting very frustrated not been able for solve this, everything was fine last week...
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Even 3.2ghz will bottleneck that 8800GT, and in order to take full potential of the card, you will need to go Intel. The 90nm AMD chips are starting to show their age.
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well it was better than the 4600+ cpu and it made no differance at all, also iv used a 8600gt and that is exactly the same surely it cant be bottlenecking that card too.. theres people with worse computers than mine and they play just fine.
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Like I told you, switching procs isn't likely to change whether or not you get playable framerates in games, cause you only need about 35-40fps for smooth gaming, and your old processor should've been capable of that in pretty much any game out there. You'll only see a difference in benchmarks that are CPU dependent ... some extreme examples of which are aquamark and 3dmark06.

So, whilst pretty much ANY AMD proc will 'bottleneck' an 8800GT to some degree, what a slower processor affects is the higher FPS ranges. Like I explained earlier, with aquamark example, comparing your card/proc combo vs. mine.

A slower proc will generally NOT bring your game performance down into the 15-25 FPS range ... unless you have a REALLY slow processor, which you didn't, and still don't, have.

Now, I will say, I don't have a lot of experience with online gaming involving a ton of players. It MAY be the case that this requires quite a bit of extra processing power vs. what you see in single player games. However, if you WERE playing in identical conditions before (same game, players, etc), and didn't have the lag you have now, it doesn't seem logical to conclude that the problem is anything BUT some kind of change in how the internet part of the equation is working. There is MORE to online gaming performance than JUST the bandwidth of *your* connection ... OTHER people's connections pretty much HAVE to come into play to some degree as well, if you think about it.

One other tip: when the cause of poor performance is your CPU, what you tend to see is a distinct 'stuttering' phenomenon. You know what it looks like when the CPU tests are running in 3dMark06, the way the picture just kinda 'jumps', like a bunch of frames were just 'lost', even though your VIEWPOINT doesn't change at all? That's the sign of the CPU being bogged down. If your GPU is causing poor performance, you tend to see more of a 'lagging' effect whenever your view changes ... like, if you pan in or out, or spin your screen view around, and you experience LAG where the actual view doesn't keep up with your controls that are directing the view.

If you want to ELIMINATE the possibility that your GPU is 'the problem', its usually pretty simple to just crank down all visual settings to bare minimum, lowest res, no AA/AF, low everything, etc. If things are STILL the same, perf-wise, you pretty much then KNOW that it's NOT the GPU.
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Yeah it looks like the effect when benching the cpu in 3dmark 06, so the cpu is getting bogged down, how can i resolve that??

I really do appreciate your help and how you explain things, makes it easier to understand lol.

If id have known AMD suck so much id have not bought the cpu and put the money towards a intel setup. What im finding confusing though is the fact you said the AMD bottleneck 8800gt's, if thats the case why dont they state that on the tin..
Suppose im a little miffed at the fact that the people at the shop said it would work fine and id notice a massive differance. Iv always used nvidia but never had any problems like this before..


Sorry for ranting on but im a tad annoyed that iv wasted alot of money .
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