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Sorry for been a noob, but what you mean by CPU bound... Do you mean it a pile of cack and i cant really do much with it?
Yes basikly
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Even 3.2ghz will bottleneck that 8800GT, and in order to take full potential of the card, you will need to go Intel. The 90nm AMD chips are starting to show their age.
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It's not the videocard.

Since the 5000+ BE isn't on Newegg... You could always do the 6000+ BE.
BS its not on newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103194

$99.99
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Having a slow internet connection won't kill your fps in an online game. If you're playing along at 60 fps with a solid connection, and suddenly your latency shoots sky high, you'll still have 60 fps, the gameworld just won't be updated properly.
    
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Yeah it looks like the effect when benching the cpu in 3dmark 06, so the cpu is getting bogged down, how can i resolve that??

I really do appreciate your help and how you explain things, makes it easier to understand lol.

If id have known AMD suck so much id have not bought the cpu and put the money towards a intel setup. What im finding confusing though is the fact you said the AMD bottleneck 8800gt's, if thats the case why dont they state that on the tin..
Suppose im a little miffed at the fact that the people at the shop said it would work fine and id notice a massive differance. Iv always used nvidia but never had any problems like this before..


Sorry for ranting on but im a tad annoyed that iv wasted alot of money .

First off, when I gave those examples of the effects of gpu vs cpu bottlenecking, I was NOT taking into account the possible variabilities introduced when a game is being played over the internet ... cause I really don't play them. It is ENTIRELY possible that internet problems could look just like cpu problems, so I wouldn't necessarily jump to the conclusion (yet) that this problem in this one game is being caused by your cpu.

As for HOW to discern the difference betwixt these two possibilities ... that one unfortunately I don't have an immediate answer for. I'll try to look into it for you.

But as I've said, I do NOT think it's in any way MORE likely that it's your CPU (vs. the internet), because you're saying that you DIDN'T have problems before playing the same game on the same settings with the same number of players, etc. And there's also no way it's your video card, otherwise, the 8600GT would've made the problem noticeably worse. And I'm assuming you took my advice and tried running the game at lower resolution no AA/AF, etc, and found no difference?

I'll tell ya what, I got a couple things for you to try. There are a few settings on most games that, while they fall under 'Graphics' (or 'Sound') settings in most cases, they can actually impact your processor pretty hard. Check for the following settings in your game, and set them all to their lowest possible (or off, if thats the only option):

1) Physics Quality
2) Sound Quality
3) Number of Sounds
4) Water Quality
5) Reflections
6) Decal Quality and/or Count

If reducing those *specifically* boost your performance, that would be a good sign that it's your processor slowing you down.

I would suggest trying servers with LESS players, but in reality, that would only take the gfx card out of the equation and tell us little about the cpu vs. internet distinction.

BTW, a quick search on 'lotro lag' yielded many hits, here's one sample thread: http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=43211

You might do some searching around that site for answers ...

BTW, exactly WHO are you upset with? CPU bottlenecks are entirely dependent on the SCENARIO being tested. There is no such thing as an 'across the board' CPU bottleneck like some people here are insinuating. It depends on the test, the resolution, the settings, etc.

I've explained this in numerous ways to you at this point, if you'd paid close attention to what I've been telling you.

Here's an example to illustrate: try playing Crysis at 1680x1050 with 4xAA sometime. I don't care if you have a Octa-Core liquid-nitrogen-cooled Nehalem at 5.0GHz or YOUR processor, with your 8800GT you're only get like 18FPS. IOW, NO CPU bottleneck would be involved. This phenomenon is SITUATIONAL, not ABSOLUTE. You get it now?

IOW, nobody OWES you any such explanation on 'the tin', these things are for YOU to find out my friend!
    
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now i am confused, one says one thing the other says somat else lol.

Right i now have

AMD 6000+
Asus m2n4 sli mobo
XpertVision 8800gt 512mb
Team elite 2 x 1gb 533(iirc)
sata II 320gb HDD
DVD dual layer
CD rewriter
Hyper type R 580 watt sli edition.

Whats going wrong with my system..


*Its obviouslly not my Cpu as its brand new today.

*Its not my Gpu as its been tested in other machines, and other cards in my rig have same problems too.

What other factors can it be, what other hardware if any would cause my online gaming to suck when high gfx proformance is needed.

I read that my 8800gt is pci-e 2.0, iv read that my mobo is only pci-e 1.0 could this have anything to do with it..

Me only having 2gb or 533 ram, would this have any affect on my systems proformance.

Could my HDD have any issues, Pissing in the wind, but could it not be slowing down when there is alot of data to send back and forth. *****


**** thats a long shot and prob sounds daft but im throwing ideas every way i can, trying to solve this issue...


First person to solve my mistery will get a chocy chip cookie lol
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First off, when I gave those examples of the effects of gpu vs cpu bottlenecking, I was NOT taking into account the possible variabilities introduced when a game is being played over the internet ... cause I really don't play them. It is ENTIRELY possible that internet problems could look just like cpu problems, so I wouldn't necessarily jump to the conclusion (yet) that this problem in this one game is being caused by your cpu.

As for HOW to discern the difference betwixt these two possibilities ... that one unfortunately I don't have an immediate answer for. I'll try to look into it for you.

But as I've said, I do NOT think it's in any way MORE likely that it's your CPU (vs. the internet), because you're saying that you DIDN'T have problems before playing the same game on the same settings with the same number of players, etc. And there's also no way it's your video card, otherwise, the 8600GT would've made the problem noticeably worse. And I'm assuming you took my advice and tried running the game at lower resolution no AA/AF, etc, and found no difference?

I'll tell ya what, I got a couple things for you to try. There are a few settings on most games that, while they fall under 'Graphics' (or 'Sound') settings in most cases, they can actually impact your processor pretty hard. Check for the following settings in your game, and set them all to their lowest possible (or off, if thats the only option):

1) Physics Quality
2) Sound Quality
3) Number of Sounds
4) Water Quality
5) Reflections
6) Decal Quality and/or Count

If reducing those *specifically* boost your performance, that would be a good sign that it's your processor slowing you down.

I would suggest trying servers with LESS players, but in reality, that would only take the gfx card out of the equation and tell us little about the cpu vs. internet distinction.

BTW, a quick search on 'lotro lag' yielded many hits, here's one sample thread: http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=43211

You might do some searching around that site for answers ...

BTW, exactly WHO are you upset with? CPU bottlenecks are entirely dependent on the SCENARIO being tested. There is no such thing as an 'across the board' CPU bottleneck like some people here are insinuating. It depends on the test, the resolution, the settings, etc.

I've explained this in numerous ways to you at this point, if you'd paid close attention to what I've been telling you.

Here's an example to illustrate: try playing Crysis at 1680x1050 with 4xAA sometime. I don't care if you have a Octa-Core liquid-nitrogen-cooled Nehalem at 5.0GHz or YOUR processor, with your 8800GT you're only get like 18FPS. IOW, NO CPU bottleneck would be involved. This phenomenon is SITUATIONAL, not ABSOLUTE. You get it now?

IOW, nobody OWES you any such explanation on 'the tin', these things are for YOU to find out my friend!

Right as for ingame settings iv tried them all..


When the system does a auto detect, it puts it to ultra high. Iv swaped from ultra high to very low and the fps DOES NOT change, same when i also change the resolusion. My decktop is set at 1680x1050, iv always played the game like that, and even if i change it to say 900x680 i still get the same amount of fps... for the last 3 days iv been running round playing in LOW, now that sucks spec since im still struggling with fps. My wifes crappy single core rig runs smoother than mine.

As for finding it out on my own, surely the staff at the shop selling the product will know if it compatable, the tech guys at PC world seem to know there stuff at the branch near me, specially since the guy i was talking to is a gaming geek too.


You seem to know you stuff with this sort of thing, and i thankyou for that, but your now starting to come across slightly arrogant, that just might be the way im reading it, but the l"like i said, you should have check, next time search. " doesnt help .


Also the game has a built in ping and fps moniter so i know when it lag or a loss in fps.


As for swapping servers i cant in lotro, my char is bound to one server unless i want to pay a fee to change it.
Edited by niffer022 - 7/10/08 at 5:27pm
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Based on all the info you've given, I can tell you with 99% certainty that it's NOT your gpu. Nor is it your memory, or your hard-drive. I'm not entirely convinced that it's NOT your cpu, but ... assuming when you play on your wifes computer, everything else is set the same ...

Well, hey, exactly what does she have on her machine, CPU-wise, BTW? I know you said it's crappy, but what is it exactly?

Assuming you're correct that her cpu is much worse (and your wife connects to the same router as you do), what we're left with here is basically TWO possibilities, and unfortunately, I don't know how to determine amongst them:

1) There's a problem with your network card (or it's drivers), OR
2) There's a problem with the connection between your network card and your router

When you reinstalled windows, did you make sure that you re-installed the network (or wireless) card drivers, or are you still using the Windows drivers?

And I have no interest in a chocolate chip cookie, but considering I've spent well over an hour of my time helping you, a Rep doesn't seem out of line ... and btw, you'd be right ... I am kinda arrogant

My best advice to you remains to check the LOTRO site ... from what I was looking at when I was there briefly, it does NOT appear these problems are isolated to you alone...
    
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Just upgrade your processor, I think the RAM should be ok and nothing else should really be slowing it down.
    
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Based on all the info you've given, I can tell you with 99% certainty that it's NOT your gpu. Nor is it your memory, or your hard-drive. I'm not entirely convinced that it's NOT your cpu, but ... assuming when you play on your wifes computer, everything else is set the same ...

Well, hey, exactly what does she have on her machine, CPU-wise, BTW? I know you said it's crappy, but what is it exactly?

Assuming you're correct that her cpu is much worse (and your wife connects to the same router as you do), what we're left with here is basically TWO possibilities, and unfortunately, I don't know how to determine amongst them:

1) There's a problem with your network card (or it's drivers), OR
2) There's a problem with the connection between your network card and your router

When you reinstalled windows, did you make sure that you re-installed the network (or wireless) card drivers, or are you still using the Windows drivers?

And I have no interest in a chocolate chip cookie, but considering I've spent well over an hour of my time helping you, a Rep doesn't seem out of line ... and btw, you'd be right ... I am kinda arrogant

My best advice to you remains to check the LOTRO site ... from what I was looking at when I was there briefly, it does NOT appear these problems are isolated to you alone...
she is using iirc a old 3.2ghz single core with 1gb or ram and a 256mb AGP card i forget what make.. im connect direct to the router via eithernet and its got upto date drivers from asus, She is connected via wireless pci card, down stairs in the living room, the router is sat next to my pc.

I reinstalled XP 3 days ago, yet to activate it lol.

Rep on its way for the help., iv also posted on lotro forum see if they know any tweeks.

again thanks
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