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okay first off, i gotta say i love this forum...its been a great help for me trying to over clock my 5000+ be. with the help of the community, i was able to get it to over clock at a stable 3.1, which i know isn't anything to write home about, but that is 500 mhz over stock, so i can honestly say, worth it.

but now i am in kinda of a sticky situation.

i am at a crossroads of sorts. while i wait for the 45 nm phenom's to hit the shelf, and prove themselves, i want a slightly faster cpu, for the work i do. (i do a lot of video editing for a company a friend i started, where we take home videos and convert them to dvd for folks.)

he keeps nagging me to go with intel, but i have been a amd fanboy since the k6-2 days. i've owned several intel rigs, since p3's, and a couple of p4's, they have been dissapointment to me. the pentium d 945 was even a bigger dissapointment, and my friends e6600 and q6700 is not impressing me in the least.

since i have been able to get this cpu stable at 3.1 ghz, i can convert 2 videos to his one (he uses the e6600 when we work and the other is his gaming baby).

so my question is, i know video editing relies heavily on the level 2 cache of the chips, would it be worth my time to upgrade to a athlon 6000+ or the 6400+ (maybe the BE, but not sure if i will over clock, cause of the hassles this board has given me.)

so these are my options:

stay with the 5000+ and get another seagate 500 gig hd.
get a amd athlon 6000+ or 6400+,
get a phenom x4 9600 or 9550, and run it with 800 mhz ram.(how well do these chips oc?)

so any help, would be appreciated

thanks,
trans
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Of those choices I would say stay with the 5000, the 6400 is overpriced if you must go with the 6000. I would suggest the phenom but not the 9600, you want a 9x50 cpu. Also don't expect much oc from a phenom, also if you game you are better off staying with dual core.
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45 nm [AMD K10.5] Phenoms are on the horizon so I think its best to stay with 5000+ BE.
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I'd go for a 9850 BE quad and a better Motherboard. Maybe a DFI board, from what I have read they are able to OC the quads much better. I do not own either, just my suggestion. I'm sure there are people here with much more experience with these products.
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The AMD 6400+ is fast and alos the 9850 BE Phenom is amazing!
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I say if going to upgrade wait for AM3 motherboards.

I would recommond the 5000+ BE. It can OC pretty good.
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I would stay with your 5000 you won't notice much difference in performance especially if you have it clocked at 3.1. I haven't noticed much difference going from my OC'ed 5000 to a 6400+ black but I have not OC'ed the 6400 yet. I would wait for the 45nm amd's to come.
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so basically you are all saying, wait for the 45 nm phenom's, get a am3 mobo when they come out, and for right now, be happy with my 5000+ @ 3.1 ghz and get another 500 gig sata
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Originally Posted by transhour View Post
so my question is, i know video editing relies heavily on the level 2 cache of the chips, would it be worth my time to upgrade to a athlon 6000+ or the 6400+ (maybe the BE, but not sure if i will over clock, cause of the hassles this board has given me.)

Intel processors are much faster than AMD in video editing

Check these reviews

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...0_7.html#sect0
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3293&p=7
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...b,1728-40.html

Also, you haven't explained why you think that Core 2 Duo is not impressive ?

Anyway, if you want to get Intel then get Q6600 or E7200 if you are on budget. And get a P45 or P43 motherboard
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well how do i explain this....

i know what benchmarks say, i know what the numbers say....that intel is faster and better than the amd's, but look at this way, bang vs buck. i know a lot of ppl say that intel still offers better performance for your money. but i honestly have to disagree.

my rig:
cpu: amd athlon 5000+ $50.00 usd
motherboard: biostar ta770 a2+ $70.00 usd
memory: 2 gig g.skills ddr2 pc800mhz $40.00
fan heatsink: freezer pro $30 usd.
total: $190.00

i used the case and harddrives from my previous rig, same as the moniter.
this was 3 months ago, i spent less than 200 dollars on what i would honestly say, a pretty good machine. btw, my graphics card is a nvdia 7800 gtx.

my friends rig, built it 3 months prior to mine.
cpu: e6600 $230 usd. (right there, he spent more on his cpu than i did on my entire rig.)
motherboard: abit $200 (not sure of the exact model.)
memory: same as mine, but he paid $80 for his.
fan heatsink: i want to say zalman, i think he spent around $100 for it.
total: $610 usd.

so we have $420 dollars difference in the two rigs, (his graphics card is the same as mine, we bought them together, in some kind of sli deal off of tiger.) both our machines are both over clocked, respectfifully, mine, 3120 mhz, his, his roughly 3 ghz. my mem is slightly over clocked to 900 mhz, his the same.

yeah, in benchmarks, he scores about 10% to 15% higher than my rig, but when you take into consideration what he spent on his rig, and what i spent on mine, is $420 dollars really worth an extra 10% to 15% when it comes to benchmark bragging rights?

i mean, seriously, in real world, every day use, he has even commented, mine "seems" way faster. and when we encode videos, i can encode 2 to his 1, same software, same settings in said software, both running windows xp service pack 3. all in all, benchmarks say by default, he should be able to encode the videos faster than me, but the benchmarks do not however, produce the real world results we are seeing.

i am not much of a gamer, but the games i do play from time to time, like age of empires 2, 3, stronghold 1,2 and legends, sins of s solar empire, and a few others, the only fps i ever got into was halo, and my laptop with a 1.73 ghz intel pentium mobile runs that just as fast as this rig does, so as for gaming performance, and what i play, this computer does good.

so you see, when i say intel isn't impressing me much, its the price vs performance. i think it is actually moronic to spend hundreds of dollars more or even thousands dollars more, to get a few hundred more points in a benchmark, or a 10% increase over the competitor chips.

and the last intel rig i had, the one before this, i had a pentium 4 3.0 ghz with ht, socket lga 775. i built this pc in i think in jan of 2006, i knew the core 2 duo's were being released later that year, but my other pc just died on me (an intel rig, don't remember the mobo, but it was a p4 socket 478 2.8 ghz rig). i spent about 1200 dollars on the whole rig, mobo, cpu, case, harddrives, memory, graphics card, you name it, i got it.

the reason i didn't upgrade to the core 2 duo's when they launched, damn motherboard i spent i think like 250 dollars on, just a few monhts prior, that claimed to support dual core's, only supported the pentium d's, not the c2d's. to say the least, i was seriously dissappointed with intel and asus at that point. i just couldn't believe, my only option to upgrade on a rig i paid for to last at least 3 years, i was only going to get a few months of upgradability out of it. don't get me wrong, the board was great, the cpu was great, but to live locked like for 3 years till i built a new rig, kinda turned me off on the whole intel flavor of things. amd's carry a much longer upgrade factor than intel rigs do, and when you constantly live in a budget type world, future proofing is sorta you deal.

and a lot of ppl said to me "why not go with a pentium d?" well, i had serious issues even with the most expensive and the best heatsink/fans combo's to keep the pentium 4 cool, i was afraid i would have to buy the pentium d its own ac unit to keep it cool, since it was basically 2 pentium 4 cores setting next to each other. plus i didn't like the price vs performance even the 945's offered, so once again, i cam to a cross roads, buy a pentium d 945 3 months ago, or buy a new intel rig, that i could run into upgrade issues again at a later date and spend hundreds more than i wanted too, or buy a amd rig for under 200, and still be able to upgrade even to the 45 nm am3 chips that will be launching later this year.

so yeah, if i had the money to throw around every few months to do a complete hardware upgrade,i would def go intel, but i don't, so i upgrade here and there, i had a quantum fire ball 10 gig hd, i had with my first build back from 99, that lasted in my rig building till 2006. so i am one of those pc builders, i look at what i absolutely need to build a new rig, and take the rest from my old one.

sorry for the book, but i hope that explains why i went with amd over intel on this build and why i feel intel even tho benchmarks prove is a better cpu than amd, that amd still owns the market for people like me.
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