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Isn't that against the open source license?
I'm going to briefly explain in the simplest terms what "open source" means in terms of lisencing in relation to Linux.

Linux was released to the GNU by it's creator Linus Torvalds, and falls under the LGPL Lisence. Basically this means that anybody can use, or sell, Linux if they want to. They can also make whatever modifications they want to it and sell it. However, nobody is allowed to lay claim to any rights of the operating system, and if they do make any alterations they have to make the adjusted source code available. However, the sale price must be in proportion wih the costs of distribution. Chargeing to for Linux support is also fair game.
Edited by t4ct1c47 - 7/9/08 at 5:12pm
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Compatibility is not somwething u should take into account when evaluating an OS.

The OS is the OS. Applications can be written to any OS. While it dfoesnt suit most peoples needs, it its mroe stable and does a better job at being an OS.


We must remember any app can be engineered to run on any OS. The OS is the road, not the car.
Windows is more compatible with the hardware than Linux, because Linux just hasn't got enough driver support from the manufactures. I hat o use 2.6.21 my ICH9 SATA controller to work, otherwise I'd use Etch ... but now I'm with Debian Lenny.. last time i updated the kernel and now ATI fglrx doesn't work.. Black screen and probably kernel panic in the background. Only RadeonHD and radeon from redhat are working.

Yeah Linux is on may platforms from AVR to PowerPC and Cell. But Windows has taken the consumer's market. i.e handhelds, PCs, phones. Currently Windows has a lot of layers, APIs, hardware abstraction layers and the kernel is hybrid, which should be better for the stability in comparison to the Linux monolithic kernel. Monolithic kernel on the other hand should have better performance between OS and hardware, thus better overall performance, but it is more unstable to driver crashes (like in my case).

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better job at being an OS.
What better job?

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Originally Posted by t4ct1c47 View Post
I'm going to briefly explain in the simplest terms what "open source" means in terms of lisencing in relation to Linux.

Linux was released to the GNU by it's creator Linus Torvalds, and falls under the LGPL Lisence.
Since when ??? I haven't heard they had changed the license.
I KNOW Linux kernel is GPL and NOT LGPL (Lesser/Library GPL).
The difference between this licenses is from Hell to Heaven (except that they are open source).
LGPL allows some things, first is using it in commercial software (no license contamination). Yeah GPL is like a disease , If you have a component form a system which is GPL, that means the whole system will become GPL. But this doesn't count in relationship like Software <-> OS.
You should revise your statement, because it's incorrect.
Edited by metala - 7/9/08 at 5:21pm
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post #73 of 99
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You should revise your statement, because it's incorrect.
I already did. I also neglected to point out that Linus released Linux to the GNU.

Rep +1.
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employee price is 105 right? you said take 5% off of the employee price.
so first we have to find out what 5% of 105 is
105 x.05 = 5.25
so now taht we know 5.25 is 5% of 105 lets subtract that from 105
105 - 5.25 = 99.75
if you dont' believe me do it yourself using a calculator. I would say it would be a good idea as your math is a little rusty it seems.
what was that about flaming and understanding how things work again?
LOL - FAIL!

You've worked out 95% of 105 - which is not the same as 105% of 100.

To work out the new price you'd do 100 * 1.05 = 105, so re-arrange that and it's 105 / 1.05 = 100
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You can get the CD for free at Ubuntu, they even send it to you for free.
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best buy sold suse and red hat for many years (not sure if they still do). them selling linux is nothing new.
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LOL - FAIL!

You've worked out 95% of 105 - which is not the same as 105% of 100.

To work out the new price you'd do 100 * 1.05 = 105, so re-arrange that and it's 105 / 1.05 = 100
I'm aware that 95% of 105 isn't the same as 105% of 100. I know what I worked out and I know my math for what I worked out was right. I followed the instructions I was given. here let me quote them for you again.

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So find out employee cost and subtract 5% of that price and you'll know the actual cost of the product
Did I not subtract 5% of 105 as he told me to? so I wouldn't say I'm the failure.

You on the other hand didn't follow directions and instead did your own thing. sure you came up with what the answer SHOULD of been but you sure didn't do it by following his directions.
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This is nothing new. Companies have been selling Linux distros for ages now, either with full or limited support. You can do anything you want with Linux, as long as you keep the code open to all.

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Windows is more compatible with the hardware than Linux, because Linux just hasn't got enough driver support from the manufactures. I hat o use 2.6.21 my ICH9 SATA controller to work, otherwise I'd use Etch ... but now I'm with Debian Lenny.. last time i updated the kernel and now ATI fglrx doesn't work.. Black screen and probably kernel panic in the background. Only RadeonHD and radeon from redhat are working.
That's because the Windows kernel is very different than the Linux kernel. The Windows kernel has very little built in support for devices, most of it (support) coming from binary drivers. The Linux kernel has everything included, therefore it does not need "drivers" unless you desire to add a newer module to the kernel. So in effect, the Linux kernel does have better hardware compatibility and support. Of course, this all depends on the kernel version and the modules being used.
As for the video card issues , I'm sure you know that binary drivers have to be re-installed when you change kernels. These binaries are not in the kernel (they are not GPL), so they have to be rebuild. The reason the open source drivers work is because they are included inside the kernel.

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Yeah Linux is on may platforms from AVR to PowerPC and Cell. But Windows has taken the consumer's market. i.e handhelds, PCs, phones. Currently Windows has a lot of layers, APIs, hardware abstraction layers and the kernel is hybrid, which should be better for the stability in comparison to the Linux monolithic kernel. Monolithic kernel on the other hand should have better performance between OS and hardware, thus better overall performance, but it is more unstable to driver crashes (like in my case).
Drivers in Windows are external to the kernel, while the Linux kernel has its own collection of modules. Which do you think causes more instability and system errors? This is why Linux purists hate binary drivers; they are not part of the kernel and therefore cause instabilities (as long as a system is using just the kernel modules only the user can cause system instability).

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What better job?
The only limiting factor for Linux is its relatively limited use compared to Windows (on the home front at least).


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...Yeah GPL is like a disease , If you have a component form a system which is GPL, that means the whole system will become GPL. But this doesn't count in relationship like Software <-> OS.
Hardly a "disease". Yeah, everything bundled with Linux (the kernel) must be GPL. That's just how the license works, and that is why no distro comes included with binary drivers for devices such as video cards (they could still offer them by way of repositories or as a seperate install).
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i guess ubuntu authorized best buy to sell ubuntu
20bucks is alright if you can have life time support
but i bet no one on oc.net noticed ubuntu is on best buy's shelf
cuz no one would go to best buy to look for ubuntu, lol
    
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Windows is more compatible with the hardware than Linux, because Linux just hasn't got enough driver support from the manufactures.
If your talking about new hardware that a lot of people at OCN have then yes thats true. Windows will be more compatible. However if you're talking about computer hardware in general then really it's Linux that is more compatible. Linux is compatible with more hardware then any other OS.

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Hardly a "disease". Yeah, everything bundled with Linux (the kernel) must be GPL. That's just how the license works, and that is why no distro comes included with binary drivers for devices such as video cards (they could still offer them by way of repositories or as a seperate install).
A distro can come with binary drivers and non GPL software (Foresight for example (flash working out of the box)) its just that many don't b/c they want to please those in their user base that are open source purist.
Edited by dangerousHobo - 7/10/08 at 1:37pm
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