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Originally Posted by Chranny View Post
My 8600GTS is 1 year old and still kicking!
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Lol... people have been using 8600gt cards for over a year now and they aren't dying or anything. Load of BS.
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My 8600GT is lagging in Crysis.. ITS FLAWED!! I need a new one!
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Both of these ASICs have a rather terminal problem with unnamed substrate or bumping material, and it is heat related
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Failures occur due to heat cycling, cold -> hot -> cold for the non-engineers out there. If you remember, we said all G84s and G86s are affected, and all are the same ASIC, so why aren't the desktop parts dying? They are, you are just low enough on the bell curve that you don't see it in number that set off alarm bells publicly yet.
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Laptops get turned on and off many times in a day, and due to the power management, throttle down much more than desktops. This has them going through the heat cycle multiple times in a day, whereas desktops typically get turned on and off once a day, sometimes left on for weeks at a time. Failures like this are typically on a bell curve, so they start out slow, build up, then tail off
Its affecting notebook parts.
Heres another link for any doubters. http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/07...ailure-rates/1
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post #32 of 97
Oh wonderful... I have an 8600M-GT in my laptop and have never noticed an issue! However, now I'll make sure I never leave my laptop running when I leave my home now that it's at even higher risk of catching on fire!

What could nV do to help those customers anyway? I have a Dell laptop, so it's not like they could send me a replacement MXM card or something... I'd have to send my lappy back to Dell for *more than likely* several weeks to have it serviced... kind of a pain in the arse.
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post #33 of 97
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Its affecting notebook parts.
Heres another link for any doubters. http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/07...ailure-rates/1
It's only effecting notebooks thus far.

hmm.. maybe getting an 8600GTS from RMA won't be a bad thing.. then I can test powering it up, and shutting it down repeatedly.
    
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Everybody who are saying their cards are fine have clearly not read the article...
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post #35 of 97
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What's your sample size?


Go check the Dell and HP forums. I've seen a few 8600GT/S catch fire in the last month...
Go check Dell and the HP forums and your see complaints about every imaginable thing.

Perhaps there is something wrong with these, I don't know. But I think that claiming that every single videocard in defective is a little extreme, considering that there are plently of people with perfectly functioning videocards.
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Lol... people have been using 8600gt cards for over a year now and they aren't dying or anything. Load of BS.
If you were on a 747 and knew they had recalled the landing gear support bolts and the plane you were on didn't bother to have them changed, would you be able to sleep well on the flight? I mean, it's flown all those times without a problem.
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Go check Dell and the HP forums and your see complaints about every imaginable thing.

Perhaps there is something wrong with these, I don't know. But I think that claiming that every single videocard in defective is a little extreme, considering that there are plently of people with perfectly functioning videocards.
Hmmmm.... if it isn't a big issue, then why did NVIDIA report it to the SEC? A $150M charge? Let's assume the part cost $20 to replace and say $200 in tech/customers support + shipping to fix each defective systems. That's still 600,000+ units.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...145974/d8k.htm
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On July 2, 2008, NVIDIA Corporation stated that it would take a $150 million to $200 million charge against cost of revenue to cover anticipated customer warranty, repair, return, replacement and other consequential costs and expenses arising from a weak die/packaging material set in certain versions of our previous generation MCP and GPU products used in notebook systems. All newly manufactured products and all products currently shipping in volume have a different and more robust material set.

The previous generation MCP and GPU products that are impacted were included in a number of notebook products that were shipped and sold in significant quantities. Certain notebook configurations of these MCP and GPU products are failing in the field at higher than normal rates. While we have not been able to determine a root cause for these failures, testing suggests a weak material set of die/package combination, system thermal management designs, and customer use patterns are contributing factors. We have developed and have made available for download a software driver to cause the system fan to begin operation at the powering up of the system and reduce the thermal stress on these chips. We have also recommended to our customers that they consider changing the thermal management of the MCP and GPU products in their notebook system designs. We intend to fully support our customers in their repair and replacement of these impacted MCP and GPU products that fail.

We have begun discussions with our supply chain regarding reimbursement to us for some or all of the costs we have incurred and may incur in the future relating to the weak material set. We will also seek to access our insurance coverage. We continue to not see any abnormal failure rates in any systems using NVIDIA products other than certain notebook configurations. However, we are continuing to test and otherwise investigate other products. There can be no assurance that we will not discover defects in other MCP or GPU products.
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post #38 of 97
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Go check Dell and the HP forums and your see complaints about every imaginable thing.

Perhaps there is something wrong with these, I don't know. But I think that claiming that every single videocard in defective is a little extreme, considering that there are plently of people with perfectly functioning videocards.
From what I understand what Charlie was trying to say is that they all have the same flaw. Think about the 360 and the RROD thing. Some of the early 360s may still work perfectly now but they still have the flawed PCB.
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D:

This doesn't really worry me. For those heat cycles, i haven't turned my machine off in like a month.
    
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More anti-nvidia drivel from I-hate-nvidia-for-a-living Charlie Demerjian. According to him the G80 was a massive failure. That **** needs to head to a corner and drop dead.
    
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