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Don't buy a Nvidia based laptop then.
Really?
    
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Uh what are the problems? I haven't had any at all in my Lappy NVS135m
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What analysts tell me they were officially told is that it is a specific batch of parts that only HP got.
Everything else is speculation.
    
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so if varying temps are the cause, then i wont see my 8400GS die anytime soon, its going into the 24/7 build that had the dead X700.
it'll be running idle all the time too.
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Frick on a stick with a brick look at my sig rig...

Also...I do get odd artifacts sometimes..Really weird...

If I have my computer on long enough...Shortcut backr gounds become black, button backr gounds become black, and many other things turn black and pixelated...very annoying.
Edited by Comp112 - 7/10/08 at 4:34pm
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My understanding of the problem is that it's the extreme heat produced by the notebook parts and the cycling from hot to cold that causes the failures. I don't think any of the desktop parts approach the high temps that the notebook parts face.
They can, depending on the machine, the ones here with lots and lots of fans, cooling, etc won't, but if this is true, and since its apparently the same core, it could be, then we'll be seeing it, from normal people who have steel beige casses without any fans.
    
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The only problem I've (I can confirm another G84 owner has) seen from my 8600M GT is that it will lock up after about an hour of hard gaming.
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If I can find some thing some where else that co-insides with this I might believe it.
Nvidia telling analysts that they're expecting a $250 million charge off to cover the returns kills any doubt that there are problems with the aforementioned cards.
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post #79 of 97
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THE BURNING QUESTION on everyone's mind is what Nvidia parts are failing in the field? No GT200 jokes here, NV personnel are still quite sensitive about that, but our moles have told us about the bum GPUs.

The short story is that all the G84 and G86 parts are bad. Period. No exceptions. All of them, mobile and desktop, use the exact same ASIC, so expect them to go south in inordinate numbers as well. There are caveats however, and we will detail those in a bit.
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Nvidia is covering this up, hard. All the usual sources are keeping mum on the topic with only a few daring to speak out. Given the sheer magnitude of this, their marketshare for notebooks was huge in the period, this could very well suck up most of their remaining cash. Don't underestimate how bad this is going to be for NV, we highly doubt $200 million will even begin to cover it.
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For people who have issues trusting The Inquirer, here's Arstechnica's version:

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This is a serious charge to level at any company, and we contacted NVIDIA for additional information. The company's response first affirms its intent to stand behind its customers and repair any and all notebooks that experience field failures. It then states:

* The issue is limited to a few notebook chips only; we have not seen and don't expect to see this issue on any NVIDIA-based desktop systems.
* Only a very small percentage of the notebook chips that have shipped are potentially affected, and the problem depends on a combination of environmental conditions, configuration, and usage model.
* We continue to work closely with our partners and have taken the necessary steps to ensure that all NVIDIA chips currently in production do not exhibit the problem.

As a result, it is very unlikely that your NVIDA based notebook product is affected.

If the various claims The Inquirer has leveled at NVIDIA are true, the company hasn't just dodged blame or trashed its suppliers, but may well have committed financial fraud. Lying to the SEC and filing an expectation of a $200 million charge when the company knows the actual expense will be much higher is not something the Security and Exchange Commission will look kindly on. Frankly, it's not worth the risk.
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Could NVIDIA be lying? Yes, it could, but there's no concrete evidence to support such a conclusion. The plural of anecdote, however compelling, is not data, and the very nature of conspiracy theories make them exceptionally hard to prove. Ultimately, this is a situation where we'll have to wait and see what happens before drawing any firm conclusions. If the rumors are correct, the $150 million-200 million NVIDIA has set aside to deal with the problem probably won't be enough, and we would see that reflected in the company's third or fourth quarter filings with the SEC—not to mention what would inevitably be reports of massive chip failures in the media.
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Edited by 0xygen - 7/19/08 at 4:28pm
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If ony it wasn't [INQ] I would actually take this seriously.
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