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Another... I told you so.

Everyone was flaming me for saying there is no way the 4870X2 would be $499... Well look at that.
I said I would launch at $550, early adopters tax, then lower in a month or so. Woot. Nice call by both of us.
    
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Wait...why did they call it a Radeon? I thought ATI dropped the whole prefix and went with HD instead.
heh an ATI card for example is : Radeon HD 4870
they dropped the pe,xt, xtx,gt etc.

I would have guessed the 4870x2 would cost more than $600, like the 3870x2, its the combined price of the 2 cards plus you pay premium for it to be single videocard, less heat, able to crossfirex on a dual pci express motherboard etc.

But if you look at this objectivly, what apeals more? The $500 GTX 280 no strings attached or if the 4870x2 is 150% of the GTX 280 and priced @ 750. My point is ATI can price it a lot more and no one will complain because it justifies for its performance, but even pricing it @ $550, i'm thinking ATI wants to regain marketshare rather than profits, R&D for the r600 based cards were covered long ago. ATI wants to get their brand known, thats were the gaming marketing comes in with Blizzard, or Activiion-Blizzard or w/e.
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Why is this good news for Nvidia, I was planning on getting it for $500 and I will still get it for $550, why because the performance matches the price and I will definately be getting my money worth.
Same here for $50 more you are definitely getting your money's worth.
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Well, I'm just looking at it from the angle of how much I would spend to get the performance I need.

For example, I play AoC, COD4 and a few other games. All of these games can be played at the absolute max settings at 1920X1200 on both of these cards.

But, for me to get a 4870 X2 (based on the price suggested here) in Canada it's going to cost me about $600 + EK Waterblock $120 + taxes + shipping. It will end up in the $800 range, all told.

The BFG GTX 280 H2OC with a DD full coverage solid copper block costs about $600 all told.

So that's the only reason it brings it back onto my radar screen. I understand the price/performance ratio, but I want to max out my games and the 280 can (apparently) do it for less.

Still, the benefit of the 4870 X2 is that I can max out everything for now and for a long time, plus get another card down the road for CrossfireX etc.

And then there's still the microstutter issue with the Crossfire/SLI cards etc.

Anyway, no decisions are made, and I'm speaking from a personal perspective (obviously, most of us are) but it does bring the card back into play for me.
Microstutter only deals with AFR I believe though, right? If you use split screen or checker-board patterns, you shouldn't have a problem.
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Well, I'm just looking at it from the angle of how much I would spend to get the performance I need.

For example, I play AoC, COD4 and a few other games. All of these games can be played at the absolute max settings at 1920X1200 on both of these cards.

But, for me to get a 4870 X2 (based on the price suggested here) in Canada it's going to cost me about $600 + EK Waterblock $120 + taxes + shipping. It will end up in the $800 range, all told.

The BFG GTX 280 H2OC with a DD full coverage solid copper block costs about $600 all told.

So that's the only reason it brings it back onto my radar screen. I understand the price/performance ratio, but I want to max out my games and the 280 can (apparently) do it for less.

Still, the benefit of the 4870 X2 is that I can max out everything for now and for a long time, plus get another card down the road for CrossfireX etc.

And then there's still the microstutter issue with the Crossfire/SLI cards etc.

Anyway, no decisions are made, and I'm speaking from a personal perspective (obviously, most of us are) but it does bring the card back into play for me.
Holy crap. I'm done with computer hardware. Seriously... why do we need this power or performance? I can't believe it. 800 dollars for a graphics card + cooling? I'm officially done with keeping up with computer hardware.

I'm not knocking anyone but you've just shown me how much of a waste it is to keep up with things. I just bought a 3870 in January, and already there is stuff that destroys it. It plays every game on high (save for Crysis). All I want is an Antec 1200 to have a nice chilly (and good looking) case to keep my inner components cool.

Wow... 800 dollars. Imagine all the other stuff you could buy if you saved it. 1 video card for almost 1000 dollars. Yup, I retire.
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Holy crap. I'm done with computer hardware. Seriously... why do we need this power or performance? I can't believe it. 800 dollars for a graphics card + cooling? I'm officially done with keeping up with computer hardware.

I'm not knocking anyone but you've just shown me how much of a waste it is to keep up with things. I just bought a 3870 in January, and already there is stuff that destroys it. It plays every game on high (save for Crysis). All I want is an Antec 1200 to have a nice chilly (and good looking) case to keep my inner components cool.

Wow... 800 dollars. Imagine all the other stuff you could buy if you saved it. 1 video card for almost 1000 dollars. Yup, I retire.
It's the cost of being at the apex of the bleeding edge. You can get roughly 75-80% of that performance with a HD4850 for around $180. In six months the value of the the GTX280 will likely be in the $400-500 range, even with the blocks. It's the cost of being the first to own a new product. It's true in every field though, from cars to golf clubs, it's just how our market and technology works.

But don't let that discourage you, staying 1/2 a year behind the edge is often a great way to stay near the top with much lower cost.

You also have to look at enthusiast level computer hardware as just that, it's a hobby. Bicyclists will spend $4,000 on a new bike, Golf enthusiasts will spending thousands on greens fees, clothes and clubs, it's the cost of the hobby. It's worth it if you enjoy playing with your computer, it shouldn't be looked at as an investment.
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Holy crap. I'm done with computer hardware. Seriously... why do we need this power or performance? I can't believe it. 800 dollars for a graphics card + cooling? I'm officially done with keeping up with computer hardware.

I'm not knocking anyone but you've just shown me how much of a waste it is to keep up with things. I just bought a 3870 in January, and already there is stuff that destroys it. It plays every game on high (save for Crysis). All I want is an Antec 1200 to have a nice chilly (and good looking) case to keep my inner components cool.

Wow... 800 dollars. Imagine all the other stuff you could buy if you saved it. 1 video card for almost 1000 dollars. Yup, I retire.
That's why I intentionally stay a generation or two behind. I literally got the Sig rig together after the 9800GTX and X2 came out. Solid machine for around $1400.
    
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It's the cost of being at the apex of the bleeding edge. You can get roughly 75-80% of that performance with a HD4850 for around $180. In six months the value of the the GTX280 will likely be in the $400-500 range, even with the blocks. It's the cost of being the first to own a new product. It's true in every field though, from cars to golf clubs, it's just how our market and technology works.

But don't let that discourage you, staying 1/2 a year behind the edge is often a great way to stay near the top with much lower cost.

You also have to look at enthusiast level computer hardware as just that, it's a hobby. Bicyclists will spend $4,000 on a new bike, Golf enthusiasts will spending thousands on greens fees, clothes and clubs, it's the cost of the hobby. It's worth it if you enjoy playing with your computer, it shouldn't be looked at as an investment.
I definitely see your point and it's how I used to be: until I read your post.

I don't know what it was but it made me wake up. I can't stay at the bleeding edge of anything anymore. I need to just lay back and let things go. I'll upgrade my video card someday but it'll probably be when the 5870 is out or something. I'm going to keep my hardware for another 2 years. That'll make it 4 years. Maybe I'll keep it longer. I just can't see it anymore. I can't see why I should dump:

300 on a quad core
300 on a video card
200 on a mobo that compliments your powerful hardware
200 on RAM (that seems to not know what its pricing should be. lol)
200 on a great power supply
etc.
etc.

Everything just seems to go by so fast now. I remember when I got my 9800 Pro I was decent until I got my X1900. I had a P4 2.4GHz for 5 years before I got my E6600.

I don't know what clicked in me but I can't do it anymore. I need to save my money for the future or for things that take precedence over cutting edge computer hardware.

I'll keep up with things with my knowledge of what's new, what's crap, etc. but I just won't buy anymore. At least, not until 2010/2011.
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