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Hello, I first posted some of this 4 weeks ago and received zero feedback. I have just purchased a 6/i from borito4 and am waiting for it to arrive. I know this is the definitive PERC forum and I have read many many pages of this thread and still have some questions.
I built a home server with an Asus A8N-SLI Premium with an AMD 3000 chip running WinServer2003 Enterprise. This is not used for apps, more for home computer (4) system backup and as a file server. Four computers access this server but almost never at the same time.

Drives:
2 36 GB raptor in Raid 1 (onboard, OS Drive)
4 320 GB Seagate ES drives in Raid 5 (onboard, used for images of networked computer’s OS drives)
I also have 4 1.5 TB Seagate drives (upgraded firmware, not installed) that I would like to run in Raid 5 for Media storage (DVD rips, MP3, etc.).

Questions:
1. Should I upgrade the computer for this setup (EP45-UD3P, E5200)?
2. Do I keep the 2 raptors in Raid 1 onboard or swap it out for 1 74gb I have laying around and eliminate onboard Raid?

I think that is it, any help would obviously be greatly appreciated, thanks!
Missed your earlier post, but to try and answer your questions...

I think your PC is fine, although probably a Quad-core would manage better (=budget driven choice as opposed to performance driven choice)

I had real issues getting an ICH10R array to play ball with the perc... in the end, I gave up and ran my raid1 O/S drives on the perc and 6 drives for storage. I would simply say try it and see... if the AMD chipset works well with the perc card... you might be able to get away with it.

GL.
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This thread is becoming a BEAST. This whole thread could be a forum in itself. Its getting easier and easier to miss posts. Each post here could be a side thread, honestly... I think for maximum visibility, it should be converted into its own forum category.

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I say I. Anyone second?

We should get it to be its own category. This has to be the single largest thread and probably the most active on the forum because its the only definitive PERC thread on the internets.
    
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1. Should I upgrade the computer for this setup (EP45-UD3P, E5200)?
2. Do I keep the 2 raptors in Raid 1 onboard or swap it out for 1 74gb I have laying around and eliminate onboard Raid?
1) My server in my basement is a EP45-UD3P + E5200. This was because I wanted something with a second PCIe x16 slot for a RAID card and my old system was AGP + PCI running an AMD XP 2800+. You old system is probably adequate. However, a EP45-UD3P + E5200 might be a lower power consumption machine than what you have since it will likely be idle most of the time.

2) I would keep the two drives in RAID-1 using the onboard RAID. That gives your OS install some insurance against drive failure.
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If the Perc 5/i gets a URE during a rebuild, will it still continue? (eg. can I accept the fact that my data may not be 100% but still allow me to recovery most of it?)

Also, what is the advantage of using the LSI firmware? (it doesn't support drive-passthrough does it?)
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This thread is becoming a BEAST..... I think for maximum visibility, it should be converted into its own forum category.

ALL IN FAVOR? I say I. Anyone second?
Seconded, as a new user to overclock, interested in the PERC card and its features, the thread is awesome, but wholly unruly. Search is good, but for gleaning the most useful information from the thread NOBODY should have to troll through this giant MF.
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Hello, I first posted some of this 4 weeks ago and received zero feedback. I have just purchased a 6/i from borito4 and am waiting for it to arrive. I know this is the definitive PERC forum and I have read many many pages of this thread and still have some questions.
I built a home server with an Asus A8N-SLI Premium with an AMD 3000 chip running WinServer2003 Enterprise. This is not used for apps, more for home computer (4) system backup and as a file server. Four computers access this server but almost never at the same time.

Drives:
2 36 GB raptor in Raid 1 (onboard, OS Drive)
4 320 GB Seagate ES drives in Raid 5 (onboard, used for images of networked computer’s OS drives)
I also have 4 1.5 TB Seagate drives (upgraded firmware, not installed) that I would like to run in Raid 5 for Media storage (DVD rips, MP3, etc.).

Questions:
1. Should I upgrade the computer for this setup (EP45-UD3P, E5200)?
2. Do I keep the 2 raptors in Raid 1 onboard or swap it out for 1 74gb I have laying around and eliminate onboard Raid?

I think that is it, any help would obviously be greatly appreciated, thanks!
I also missed your post - another reason why this should become a category in it's own right rather than a thread - PERC would take over the storage forum, and stuff can easily get lost in a single thread...

As for your server - the AMD chip will easily be able to handle the load from 4 pcs - hell a P3 could do so (and did for many years in my server). The only limitation with using older desktop systems is the lack of multiple PCI buses and no PCIe bus, meaning it is difficult to add decent NICs & RAID cards. Serving files is not a cpu intensive task, nor is storing system backups. The Intel chip will probably use less power, but I would doubt it would be worth buying the new kit if you don't have it lying around doing nothing. A new more efficient psu would be a more prudent purchase.

I would keep the RAID1 - it is much better to have some redundancy especially in servers, and even more so when running older disks. Onboard RAID1 is fine for this.

I would move the onboard RAID5 array to the PERC, unless you intend to add more disks to your current PERC array. Onboard RAID5 sucks in a big way. Go RAID10 (if possible) or separate RAID1 arrays if you have to use the onboard ports.

Hope this helps.
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I think your PC is fine, although probably a Quad-core would manage better (=budget driven choice as opposed to performance driven choice)
I had real issues getting an ICH10R array to play ball with the perc... in the end, I gave up and ran my raid1 O/S drives on the perc and 6 drives for storage. I would simply say try it and see... if the AMD chipset works well with the perc card... you might be able to get away with it.
GL.
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1) Your old system is probably adequate. However, a EP45-UD3P + E5200 might be a lower power consumption machine than what you have since it will likely be idle most of the time.
2) I would keep the two drives in RAID-1 using the onboard RAID. That gives your OS install some insurance against drive failure.
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As for your server - the AMD chip will easily be able to handle the load from 4 pcs - hell a P3 could do so (and did for many years in my server). The only limitation with using older desktop systems is the lack of multiple PCI buses and no PCIe bus, meaning it is difficult to add decent NICs & RAID cards...The Intel chip will probably use less power, but I would doubt it would be worth buying the new kit if you don't have it lying around doing nothing. A new more efficient psu would be a more prudent purchase...I would keep the RAID1 - it is much better to have some redundancy especially in servers, and even more so when running older disks. Onboard RAID1 is fine for this.
Famine to feast in 12 hours. Thanks for the responses!

I want, but would rather not shell out $300 for a new system. I was thinking a dual core E5200 vs quad core because of the power requirements, and the EP45-UD3P as well (i have both in an HTPC, but would have to buy new). I was hesitant about the intel board because of the mods required to get the card to work. I will have 2 Raid 5 setups on the PERC, 4-320 GB ES drives for Acronis disk images, and 4-1.5 TB seagates (with new firmware) for media. I don't necessarily need the server OS drive running on the onboard raid because whatever the drive is, it will be backed up via Acronis at leastly weekly and the server OS drive itself will have few changes.

New Questions:
1. For the R5 1.5TB x 5, I need to format those to GPT?
2. Do I have to do a fresh install of Server 2003 to add the PERC to the system (F6 at install for drivers)?
3. My A8N-SLI Premium has 2 x PCI-Express x16 slots which in SLI run as x8 each. Default (single VGA): x16, x1, and it also has one PCI Express x4, one PCI Express x1. Will the 6/i run on this board?
4. 6/i CPU Cooling, duckie says forced air is a requirement; is a crazy rigged heatsink required, or will the airflow from a 120mm front fan suffice?

Please only quote the new stuff in reply if anything. Thanks.
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New Questions:
1. For the R5 1.5TB x 5, I need to format those to GPT?
2. Do I have to do a fresh install of Server 2003 to add the PERC to the system (F6 at install for drivers)?
3. My A8N-SLI Premium has 2 x PCI-Express x16 slots which in SLI run as x8 each. Default (single VGA): x16, x1, and it also has one PCI Express x4, one PCI Express x1. Will the 6/i run on this board?
4. 6/i CPU Cooling, duckie says forced air is a requirement; is a crazy rigged heatsink required, or will the airflow from a 120mm front fan suffice?
1. Yes, if you want a single volume.

2. Only if you want to boot from it.

3. Yes - the PERCs only need an x8 slot. I know they will run in an x4 slot, and maybe even an x1 slot (obviously if the slots are physically bigger or open ended). For a server you won't need a gpu anyway.

4. Forced air is a must. Unless you have decent air passing directly over the heatsink, you would be well advised to change the heatsink for something a little larger (I use an old Pentium heatsink with the original clip from the 6i), or add a 40mm fan directly on the PERC heatsink itself. The airflow from a front fan probably won't cut it, especially under load, unless it is ducted directly onto the heatsink itself.

If you do upgrade your system, even a single core Sempron should suffice. Serving files, especially when backed up by a dedicated hardware RAID card, does not need anything fancy at all in terms of cpu power. If you went Intel, a dual core Celeron would be sufficient also. A quad is massive overkill for your suggested usage, and will just waste money both in power consumption & initial expediture.

I would make sure you have a decent NIC though - the onboard ones in your boards will be pretty shoddy. Buy an Intel Pro/1000 PT from eBay (should be less than $40 or so - not sure in the US) & whack it into the x1 slot on your mobo - it will make a huge difference to your transfer rates & connection reliability. With a dedicated NIC & RAID card the cpu basically does nothing then, leaving your current cpu more than adequate.
Edited by the_beast - 9/22/09 at 8:26am
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New Questions:
1. For the R5 1.5TB x 5, I need to format those to GPT?
2. Do I have to do a fresh install of Server 2003 to add the PERC to the system (F6 at install for drivers)?
3. My A8N-SLI Premium has 2 x PCI-Express x16 slots which in SLI run as x8 each. Default (single VGA): x16, x1, and it also has one PCI Express x4, one PCI Express x1. Will the 6/i run on this board?
4. 6/i CPU Cooling, duckie says forced air is a requirement; is a crazy rigged heatsink required, or will the airflow from a 120mm front fan suffice?
1. Yes... GPT is the way to go over 2Tb.
2. Not if you keep the pair of drives in raid1 on the onboard controller... otherwise yes.
3. That board should be great. On my P5K, I ran the graphics card in the bottom slot and the perc in the main one.
4. Whatever you do, you have got to have good airflow across the card.. I simply used a single screw to hold a small fan directly on the heatsink and it worked flawlessly, or you can be as complicated as you like. I would say No to your front fan... not direct enough.
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Can somebody tell me if this is the correct Dell Perc 6/i card for a desktop/home server?

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...9&sku=341-6064

It's $229.00 and I'm wondering if I get a Dell coupon that perhaps I could get it for even cheaper?
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