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How do I know if a drive died, and which one it is?
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Kithy, the Megaraid Storage Manager works with windows 10 and the stock Dell PERC firmware. I'm using it on my H700 but used it on the PERC6 also. Windows 10 does give you full admin access... Some programs need you to do a "run as admin" to install, and some need you to actually unblock them to install (usually if you have a domain set up). If you're using Win10 Home it may differ, but I never bothered with that and only run Pro.

I've had full admin access on Windows 10 and the cards using MSM, so not sure what issues you ran into.

As far as what drive died, if you don't have some sort of drive cage that has reporting LEDs that work with the PERC cards, the MSM will tell you the SN of the drives so you can tell that way which one has died.
Edited by mcdanielvzw - 9/23/17 at 5:28pm
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Kithy, the Megaraid Storage Manager works with windows 10 and the stock Dell PERC firmware. I'm using it on my H700 but used it on the PERC6 also. Windows 10 does give you full admin access... Some programs need you to do a "run as admin" to install, and some need you to actually unblock them to install (usually if you have a domain set up). If you're using Win10 Home it may differ, but I never bothered with that and only run Pro.

I've had full admin access on Windows 10 and the cards using MSM, so not sure what issues you ran into.

As far as what drive died, if you don't have some sort of drive cage that has reporting LEDs that work with the PERC cards, the MSM will tell you the SN of the drives so you can tell that way which one has died.

I have experimented with windows 10 myself and even tried logging in to the Administrator account (I normally run as this account full time / 24-7 on all my computers.. I don't want windows restricting me from doing anything I wish to my computers, but that's me). Even logged in to the "Administrator" account, we still have to right click on programs and "Run as Administrator" often for many things under windows 10. Because we have to do this, it's obvious that we do not have "True administrator access" to the computer. If we did have that, then we could just run every program we wanted to without having to still "Run as administrator". So no, windows 10 does not give you "Full Administrator Access" to your machine. It just makes you think you get it when you really do not. But that's beside the point.

If you would of read my post about the LSI MSM carefully, I chose my words exactly as I intended: "So it may not work for windows 10." I did not know if it would, or would not work for windows 10. So I specifically said exactly that it MAY NOT WORK.

It's great that it does work and now we know, so thank you for sharing that.

EDIT: About the software.

The Latest MegaRAID Storage Manager (MSM) can be downloaded here: https://www.broadcom.com/products/storage/raid-controllers/megaraid-sas-9361-8i#downloads Under the "Management Software and Tools" section.

According to mcdanielvzw this software works under windows 10. I have no idea how to install this under windows 10, and there is no guide that I can find for doing so in a quick google search.

Here's one guide I found online.. it's for Software systems, but probably still applicable to this program for any normal user too: http://stanleyss.com/install-megaraid-storage-manager-msm-softlayer-server/

When I install this in windows 7, I always have to reboot after install, even if it doesn't say you have to.

Good luck figuring out how to get it working in windows 10, if that's what you use. Personally I specifically stayed on windows 7 x64 intentionally and will never upgrade. At least I can be assured things like LSI MSM work 100% natively.
Edited by kithylin - 9/23/17 at 6:25pm
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I have experimented with windows 10 myself and even tried logging in to the Administrator account (I normally run as this account full time / 24-7 on all my computers.. I don't want windows restricting me from doing anything I wish to my computers, but that's me). Even logged in to the "Administrator" account, we still have to right click on programs and "Run as Administrator" often for many things under windows 10. Because we have to do this, it's obvious that we do not have "True administrator access" to the computer. If we did have that, then we could just run every program we wanted to without having to still "Run as administrator". So no, windows 10 does not give you "Full Administrator Access" to your machine. It just makes you think you get it when you really do not. But that's beside the point.

If you would of read my post about the LSI MSM carefully, I chose my words exactly as I intended: "So it may not work for windows 10." I did not know if it would, or would not work for windows 10. So I specifically said exactly that it MAY NOT WORK.

It's great that it does work and now we know, so thank you for sharing that.

EDIT: About the software.

The Latest MegaRAID Storage Manager (MSM) can be downloaded here: https://www.broadcom.com/products/storage/raid-controllers/megaraid-sas-9361-8i#downloads Under the "Management Software and Tools" section.

According to mcdanielvzw this software works under windows 10. I have no idea how to install this under windows 10, and there is no guide that I can find for doing so in a quick google search.

Here's one guide I found online.. it's for Software systems, but probably still applicable to this program for any normal user too: http://stanleyss.com/install-megaraid-storage-manager-msm-softlayer-server/

When I install this in windows 7, I always have to reboot after install, even if it doesn't say you have to.

Good luck figuring out how to get it working in windows 10, if that's what you use. Personally I specifically stayed on windows 7 x64 intentionally and will never upgrade. At least I can be assured things like LSI MSM work 100% natively.

I didn't mean to come off accusatory, so my apologies. I did read/respond pretty quickly tonight but I've always respected your input here since I started my own home brew server off this thread and have indeed read every single page. Every individual's needs are different, which is why I went with the H700 (on top of a cheap find on ebay) and no one's experiences should be looked down on in any way.

On Windows 10, I made sure my account was a local admin, and I always turn off User Access Control - if necessary I "unblock" the program after download (different topic that can be elaborated on) and I normally do a "run as administrator" just for safe measure. My server is off currently but I'll power it online tomorrow and report back with what version of the MSM software I run personally. It gives me full access, including any card programming as well as notification programming via SMTP.
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I just thought I'd comment about "needs and purposes" of different folks. I'm actually intending to set up my 3rd computer in the house with a PERC 6/i in it relatively soon, maybe this next week. Currently with my recently built x99 system I have been using a pair of really crappy old old hard drives. Seagate drives, 7200 RPM, 16MB Buffer, Sata-II, only good for about 50-60 MB/s each. I've been using them in RAID-0 as secondary storage / extra game install space on every "main gaming computer" I've owned and built since 2009. Even with both in RAID-0 however, they only amount to about 125 MB/s together. Which was "decent" years ago and "average" a short while ago, but today is "pathetic" because we have single-drive variable-RPM / ECO hard drives today that can do 125 - 150 MB/s single-drive without raid now in 2017. So to replace them I've been looking at something reasonably fast transfer speeds and good access times.

My first thoughts was SSD Storage again. I was considering like, a 280GB RevoDrive V3 PCIE SSD @ 280 GB for a while @ about $125 used. I was considering a 128GB M.2 PCIE NVME SSD. With my x99 system, I finally have a computer with a port that can use this. I considered a single 128GB Samsung Evo SSD. I even looked at "enterprise" HP Fusion-IO PCIE SSD's used. The goal was something minimum 500 MB/s reads and writes with decent access times. But in the end I just felt sour in the mouth spending nearly $150 for something for such small capacity just to get the speed and performance I wanted.

So me and a friend brainstormed over steam together and I had an idea. Shut down my x99 and went and stuck in a bare PERC 6/i I have in the other room spare in one of the PCIE slots bare card. No battery, no cables, no bracket to hold it in place, no drives, no fan.. quick test. To my surprise, booted it up and the full PERC RAID BIOS showed up during boot up, even still also showing the Intel ICH RAID onboard bios too during boot, one after the other. Boot to windows, see it in task manager.. installed LSI MSM software, and low and behold, could see it and access it in the software, appeared to work normally.

I already own two of these: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817994142 And in my big 24-7 file server in the other room.. I have 8 x old 500GB Sata-II hard drives in it, WD Blues, 7200 rpm, 16MB buffer. I think they're about 75 MB/s each or so. I already know from testing on my file server that 8 of those in raid-5 on a PERC 6/i is good for minimum 500 MB/s reads and writes. So I started thinking and brainstorming with a friend to find 8 x small cheap drives good for about 100 - 125 MB/s each to stuff in these things and put a PERC 6/i in my x99 rig.

I ended up finding these used: http://www.ebay.com/itm/222383339369 Put in a offer and seller accepted for $9.05/each, and picked up a sata cable. Don't care if they're bare-drive without the "cooling sled", I have a hot-swap bay thing with fans.

As to performance, access times should be nice with 10k rpm drives, and there's this over here: http://hdd.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/5606/WDC-WD1600HLFS-60G6U2 Looks like 95.5 MB/s each. So I should be good for at least my goal of 500 MB/s with 8 of em, possibly more than 500 MB/s when done, maybe, we'll see. And total out of pocket will be about $125 when all bought and done, and with 8 of em in raid-5 I'll end up with 1TB of space. Best performance and capacity for the price for ssd-like storage I can come up with today.

I'll comment back with speed and performance when I get it built if y'all want. I had the PERC 6/i completely die/disappear on me in my secondary file server when I tried to power it on tonight.. so going to have to go shopping on ebay and find one to buy tonight or tomorrow for x99 system. I might also try putting 4 of these little velociraptors on the onboard Intel raid temporarily just to see how they do there in raid-0 to be curious how they work with a modern system. Individually they may not be much but I think they'll be quite useful with a bunch of em paired together.

Dirt cheap little things today too.
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Based on your post I didn't think it was going to work either, I took your post the same way as mcdaniel did and only dl'ed the software after others posted


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Based on your post I didn't even think it was going to work either, I took your post the same way as mcdaniel did

I didn't think it would work at all in windows 10, as originally it's a vista/win7 only software. I still doubt it would work 'correctly' in windows 10 either, but maybe it does.

I guess I should of worded it more clearly.. sorry about that y'all. I'll try to do better in the future.
Edited by kithylin - 9/24/17 at 10:34am
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Still going at it. Thankfully the specs for the card say 150C cause otherwise I would have had to stop it and start it again after I modded the cooling.

I have one more question. What happens if the card dies? How do I know it is the card, cause I can't see any of the hard drives in MRM? And to fix it, would I just put a new 6/i in and tell it in the BIOS to re-build the array or something like that?
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Still going at it. Thankfully the specs for the card say 150C cause otherwise I would have had to stop it and start it again after I modded the cooling.

I have one more question. What happens if the card dies? How do I know it is the card, cause I can't see any of the hard drives in MRM? And to fix it, would I just put a new 6/i in and tell it in the BIOS to re-build the array or something like that?

I had one of my near-line computers the raid card in it died just recently (yesterday). One of the early signs of a card dying is it sometimes didn't show up it's raid bios when I started up the computer, sometimes it did, then it wouldn't show up at all ever anymore after 5 cold boots. All I did was take the old one out, and swap over the bracket and battery to my spare PERC 6/i, put it in the system, connected cables and away it went. No rebuild no import nothing, it just booted windows with no issues.

Also, USlatin, how big is the array for your system? And I guess it depends on different folks. Sure it may be spec'd to run up to 150c, but personally I wouldn't let it sit around running 100c - 120c all day, even if it's not the maximum.. I just don't want any component in my computer running that hot ever. But, that's me and not you.

Also that is standard. When you use any hardware raid card, by any manufacturer of any model number, generally you do not ever see the individual hard drives in windows. You only see 1 exported volume. That's how raid cards work. You can use other programs to see the individual drives, looks like you found Hard Disk Sentinel, I use that in my servers to monitor drive health. Nice program, it can send you emails if the individual drives develop S.M.A.R.T. warnings, or if one of the drives passes a custom heat threshold I programmed in, it monitors heat and drive health over months of time. Great for a 24-7-365 always-on server like I have. I ended up buying a license for it for all of that.
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