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post #51 of 63
7/19/08 at 3:38am
Wolfy, If i were you i'd wait till nehalem, but not for the nehalem architecure. When nehalem arrives you will see current C2D prices drop massively, and also by then DDR3 will have dropped also, so for less than you'll pay now you'll pick up a very powerful rig for us to play D3 on
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7/19/08 at 3:54am
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Hey mate,

Considering the prices for the extreme CPUs right now (QX9750 @1.5k$) I wouldn't expect Nehalem anywhere below that, maybe even higher. This year they're gonna release only the socket LGA1366, which is the quad CPU + quad virtual cores. Couple the 8 virtual CPUs with an integrated memory controller and you get a CPU that is meant for servers/workstations and that will probably have a price over 1.5k$. The 2 grands will probably be 3-4 if you add a mobo based on x58, food for thought.

The "mainstream" Nehalem is due in 2009 on socket 1160.

2 cents.
Actually, the 2.66 Ghz model is rumored to go for somewhere around $300, which is cheaper then your Q9450 and Q9550. I'm waiting for Nehalem...at the moment. But its your call...


I WANT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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post #53 of 63
7/19/08 at 6:27am
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Thanks for sharing your expirience blameless...
Well, I know that Corsair 650 will be vastly above my system requirements, but not to much choice of a PSU in my country, either expensive, lame features, noisy fan (Chieftec, LC Power, ThermalTake, Coolermaster and OCZ, the last one is good, but Corsair sounds and looks so powerfull), and Corsair TX650 is like 20 dollars more than TX550, so I opt for stability and a PSU that could handle some hot cards to come out...
Well, with it being only 20 more than your only other options, go for it.

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As for the mobo, it was my pick cause it supports 1600FSB, 2000OC DDR3, crossfire if I got graphic bottleneck later on, good OCer, EPU, linux net, looks awesome, ASUS-rock solid, heart touching...etc..etc
Maybe I`m a little show off, but it is the first rig that would be totaly mine, from my money, so I want it perfect... I would go for maximus II, that is work of art(but that little guy on my shoulder brings me some smartness, I`m not a monter clocker), but even 1200ddr2 can`t compete with low latency DDR3, and probably some better sticks will kick in?
I'm fairly sure the P5Q3 will turn out to be an excellent board, and that DDR3 will get faster and cheaper, making it much more appealing than it is now.

I still find it hard to justify such an expensive motherboard when we are on the verge of a new architecture being released.

...but if it's what you want, it should certainly suffice.
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post #54 of 63
7/19/08 at 9:26am
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Wolfy, If i were you i'd wait till nehalem, but not for the nehalem architecure. When nehalem arrives you will see current C2D prices drop massively, and also by then DDR3 will have dropped also, so for less than you'll pay now you'll pick up a very powerful rig for us to play D3 on
.. Well, I could wait till september, but that time my faculty starts and I`ll need some better computer than I have now, to be able to run the programs I use for studying...Hope they won`t make some monster breakout in technology, so my rig will last, and perform very well for 4-5 years from now on... (Some good gaming, not extreme resolutions or details, hate Crysis)...

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I'm fairly sure the P5Q3 will turn out to be an excellent board, and that DDR3 will get faster and cheaper, making it much more appealing than it is now.

I still find it hard to justify such an expensive motherboard when we are on the verge of a new architecture being released.

...but if it's what you want, it should certainly suffice.
Well, I could go for 70euros or 130$ cheaper Asus P5Q-e, only reason is that I`m afraid ddr2 will bottleneck me i 2 years...

This is a Nehalem thread, so our posts are little off, you can comment with your thoughts about my choice here: http://www.overclock.net/intel-build...-4850-d-2.html
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post #55 of 63
7/19/08 at 4:19pm
I'm not sure how fast you think technology will advance in four or five years, but you should be able to build a $1500 rig that will last at least three years.

The only reason I can see someone reaching for DDR3 today is they plan on getting Nehalem. But even that doesn't make sense because good DDR3 isn't cheap. You'll pay a nice premium for low-latency DDR3. In a year, the same sticks will no longer be top-of-the-line and probably have 20% of the price knocked off. You'll look back and suffer a mild case of buyer's remorse.

Like I said in a separate thread discussing DDR2 and DDR3, I'm going to give the technology a chance to mature. When Nehalem comes out, prices of current quads will fall. With reports of the 2.66 GHz chip outperforming the QX9770, I don't see how Intel can sell a Q9*50 for over $300. Think about it. The price of the Q9550 is supposed to come down to the Q9450's $330 range in a day or two. If they can knock $200 off that chip because a newer, better quad is coming out, just imagine how cheap Penryns will be in six or seven months!

So wait for Nehalem? Yes. But not necessarily to buy Nehalem. If you're making a completely new rig, by all means. But if you can upgrade by simply buying a new component or two, I don't see why you should get a completely new build.
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7/19/08 at 5:13pm
I wish amd would release something that could remotely compete, then the price for them would be lower and i might even switch back lol
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7/19/08 at 5:18pm
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I'm not sure how fast you think technology will advance in four or five years, but you should be able to build a $1500 rig that will last at least three years.
Look how far we've come in 20 years, 5 years is only a 1/4 of that, and look how far we've come in the past 5 years, since 2003. We didnt even have dual core then i don't think, and it was still 90nm, no? 5 years may advance more than you expect. I could be very very wrong, but you never know...
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7/19/08 at 5:27pm
Well, the companies strive to be predictable for their customers, so according to their roadmaps..

Now until Q3 09 - Nehalem and Shanghai
Q4 09 to late 2010 - 32nm Westmere quad or hexa-cores, Shanghai (octocores for servers from both manufacturers), and then there's Larrabee, the wildcard.
2010 is the year of Sandy Bridge, a revolutionary rather than evolutionary core. It'll be more similar to the Cell and GPUs than current CPUs are. GDDR/throughput memory, ring bus, AVX, incredible floating point capability for a CPU.. AMD has a similar concept in Bulldozer, but they haven't said too much about it and it might be delayed to 2011.

Essentially, a Nehalem system is going to be very competitive until 2010, and even Harpertown and Yorkfield can cut it for quite a while on power alone, if not bandwidth.. But in 2010, they go out the window. Too slow.

Then there's the chance of AMD making a 'right-hand turn' similar to Intel's 'right-hand turn' going from NetBurst to Core, and changing the deck entirely.
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7/19/08 at 5:29pm
i fail, lol. ROLL ON 2100, I want 'em NOW! Tis like a tech hard on
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11/10/08 at 7:14am
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