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Im running 260x14 now at same voltages and ht and ram multis. This puts me at 3.64ghz. A little ram oc and moaR nb which is my goal..anybody running more bus speed on the non 32 version?
bah lost a core 1 hour in... which makes me think vrms. Damn.
My board hates bus OC's. It was the core reason I experienced occasional crashes back in the days when I would run 220x so kudos to you if you can get it stable. Let me know the final results if you get 12/24 hour prime95 stable, etc. tongue.gif
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My board hates bus OC's. It was the core reason I experienced occasional crashes back in the days when I would run 220x so kudos to you if you can get it stable. Let me know the final results if you get 12/24 hour prime95 stable, etc. tongue.gif

My board seems to like the bus OC's, I just cant get over 3.6ghz on it, and darnit I want slightly more! tongue.gif My board temps seem reasonable, and my CPU temps are within an acceptable range, (well I am flirting with 55* C coretemp maybe thats my problem) but the board just wont do it. I'm going to trash the stock thermal pads on the VRMs and throw on some MX2 and see if for some reason that would help.


Im ~12hr prime blend stable @ 257x14 and 240x15

Not so much with 260x14 and 3:5 ram divider

Dropped ram multi again and lowered my bus to 259 to see if that passes, though I'm pretty happy with 257 x 14 I'd like to see if i can nudge anymore out of it.


Still just playing with it really.

Ugh 4 hours in i lose a worker


Edited by LuckySe7ens - 10/23/12 at 11:31pm
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The 2x2 4GB set is new since I moving to Win7 from XP.
I can set ram to 800 and run memtest86 all day no errors.
But when I'm running prime anything above the 667 creates errors.
Not really sure if that is the memory there or the cpu or what.
All I know is my current setup IS stable, and I might attempt to OC in the future.
For now I'm going to be quite happy with a new cpu 2-3x faster than my old one if the old benchmarks I've seen are correct.

When you increase BUS speed are you lowering the HT multi?

Alternatively you might try tightening your timings a notch since your running your memory @ 667
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When you increase BUS speed are you lowering the HT multi?
Alternatively you might try tightening your timings a notch since your running your memory @ 667

Yes lowering the ht multi I was following that guide on here isolating parts.
Like I said I'll probably fool with it more in few weeks.
Going to try to get voltage lower I'm still a bit high for 3.6 Ghz I think.
1.41 actual don't remember what BIOS setting is.
Only have weekends to play and ran out of weekend. smile.gif
I can run 3.8 and 3.9 but 2+ hours in windows will lock up with prime running.

Is it normal for CPU temp (not cores) to be 10+ higher than core temp?
Cores stay around 45 max but CPU temp gets up 50-55 under 100% load.
Not really sure which temp they mean when stating max temp on these.
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Yes lowering the ht multi I was following that guide on here isolating parts.
Like I said I'll probably fool with it more in few weeks.
Going to try to get voltage lower I'm still a bit high for 3.6 Ghz I think.
1.41 actual don't remember what BIOS setting is.
Only have weekends to play and ran out of weekend. smile.gif
I can run 3.8 and 3.9 but 2+ hours in windows will lock up with prime running.
Is it normal for CPU temp (not cores) to be 10+ higher than core temp?
Cores stay around 45 max but CPU temp gets up 50-55 under 100% load.
Not really sure which temp they mean when stating max temp on these.

Well my BIOS setting is 1.5v and you can see what Im getting in windows.

Also regarding the weekends to play part I don't even have that lol so i can surely relate. I'm posting from work atm, and I rarely have a few minutes to adjust settings slightly before I leave for work or school and let prime 95 do its thing. Most of my posts are via mobile
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AMD Temp Information and Guide

We've had a few great threads recently where members contacted AMD and asked what temps they should be looking at, what the max temp was on, and what programs should be used and why. But this information is still scattered and not well defined in one place. It also doesn't quite explain when you should be looking at certain temps. Well I've made it my mission to insure that people are reading the right temps and have been trying my best to give all the information each time I respond without sounding like a broken record. So I decided to write this information thread and little guide to help you out there.

What is "Core Temp" ?

"Core Temp" is what AMD refers to as "TCTL" and is a non-physical temperature on an arbitrary scale measured in degrees. It does not represent an actual physical temperature like die or case temperature.

What is "CPU Temp" ?

"CPU Temp" is read by a sensor in the socket of the motherboard.
It is a physical temperature and therefore will be effected by ambient temps inside the case.

Why should I use "Core Temp" and when?

AMD designed this equation to accurately read peak (45C+) and load temps. It has an equational offset to determine said temps which equalizes at 45C. Since it's designed for peak temps and is a non-physical temperature it cannot read idle temps or account for ambient temps correctly.

So what is "CPU Temp" good for then?

At peak temps this value is typically 7-10C higher (depending on motherboard) than the actual temp due to it being a physical sensor. At idle it's a little more accurate, but still not dead on, and besides idle temps do not matter near as much as load temps do.

AMD says my chip has a [INSERT SPEC] Celsius limit, what value is this referring to? This limit seems kind of low, why?

This is referring to "Core Temp" of course.

So for example Phenom IIs have a recommended 62C "Core Temp" limit while not exceeding 60C for extended periods.

It has long been argued that the recommended limit is merely a larger safety net. There is a thermal shutdown in the chip at 90C and the silicone is rated for 97C+, so it seems plausable that we could indeed go higher, but this guide (and most in general) will simply *nod* and point you to the recommended limit for your chip.

What programs read "Core Temp" ?

AMD recommends the Core Temp program and AMD Overdrive for this reason.

The core section of HWMonitor also reads this value, but be careful as it also shows CPU Temp.

Where are you getting this information?

Aside from the great information threads below, I am a Mechanical & Computer Design Engineer who has several colleagues that either currently work in AMD's engineering department or used to.

Source: OCN Thread #931241
- Information from Alex Cromwell, Senior Technology Director, AMD

Source: OCN Thread #1095360
- Information from AMD Global Customer Care

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My board seems to like the bus OC's, I just cant get over 3.6ghz on it, and darnit I want slightly more! tongue.gif My board temps seem reasonable, and my CPU temps are within an acceptable range, (well I am flirting with 55* C coretemp maybe thats my problem) but the board just wont do it. I'm going to trash the stock thermal pads on the VRMs and throw on some MX2 and see if for some reason that would help.
Im ~12hr prime blend stable @ 257x14 and 240x15
Not so much with 260x14 and 3:5 ram divider
Dropped ram multi again and lowered my bus to 259 to see if that passes, though I'm pretty happy with 257 x 14 I'd like to see if i can nudge anymore out of it.
Still just playing with it really.
Ugh 4 hours in i lose a worker

well 258x14 is 12 hour stable in prime on blend. But it gets a rounding error at 15 hours...redface.gif
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thanks for the hints.
I was away for a few days. I will read more.
Good luck to you!
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Just curious are you all running a full 12 hour prime run every time you tweak something?

Weekend fooling around has begun!

18 x 200 I know is 12 hour stable.

Also just for giggles I swapped around the ram sticks.
Now I can actually raise the bus speed without getting errors in prime. smile.gif
Not sure if it is that or if maybe a stick wasn't seated right but memtest never gave errors.

So running 220 x 16.5 now to test if I can get my memory speed back to where it should be.

Edit: Now 230 x 15.5 after an hour stable on last setting, dropped HT to 4x.
Edit Edit: Now 240 x 15, looks like memory is now stable at stock speeds.


CPU voltage still at 1.375 in bios.


Also a question, using this M2N Tweaker thing from earlier in the thread.
The voltage does not seem to be adjustable from windows, this normal?
Not a big deal but was fooling with the setting and watching cpu-z and hwmonitor and not seeing change.

Currently running on x64 Windows 8, can't get NVidia system monitor to run properly it keeps crashing, worked fine in 32 bit XP so I assume just a Win8 issue.
Edited by amd-m2n - 10/26/12 at 7:15pm
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wow this thread is one of the longest running mb threads, got to be

I actually have a M2N SLI with a 720BE and 4gb of Crucial 400mb DDR2 sitting in a box....
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