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Strange thing happened... I used the in-windows bios updater to flash 5001.... bios says it's now 5001, cpuid now says it's 5001. I no longer have Ram adjustment through the bios....

After initial restart after flashing I was getting a APCI_BIOS_ERROR with windows.... managed to somehow get windows to load, some weird Japanese screen... strangest thing.

Any ideas?

I would try to reflash using ez flash in the tools section of the bios.
Flashing with/from windows is not recommended.

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ok then,go back to bios reset to default(F5 then F10)reboot, go into bios again to advanced/cpu config and disable cool & quiet.  That should force it to run at full speed 3.0.  If it does not,go to windows control panel/power options and set it to high performance.Report back.

 

Finally able to pry the computer from my son for a few minutes!

 

I did the F5/F10.  

 

When I got back in to the BIOS, Cool&Quiet was already disabled.  That means it was probably disabled the first time, when I pulled the battery and reset to defaults.

 

When I booted up Windows, it too was already set to high performance.

 

I've read entries about having C&Q or the power profile throttling.  

 

However, does CPUID fall for that?  And, when I run the CPUID benchmark, wouldn't that kick the speed up?

 

I also tried several other benchmarks and stress testers, like Prime95, Sandra, etc.

 

They all run the system flat out, and after they are done they all believe that it's 800MHz, when set to defaults.  I mean, if a benchmark like Prime95 can't ramp up the performance (nor any of my son's games, like Supreme Commander at highest graphic detail and a TON of units), then isn't that a clear indication it CAN'T go any faster?

 

Also, I monitored the temps while running the benchmarks.   It looks like I'm running them in a fridge.  It seems pretty clear that nothing can get this thing going.

 

 

I attached the Advanced > CPU Configuration screen.  Note that the BIOS too believes its 800MHz.  This number changes if I tweak the multiplier or the NB bus speed up.

 

When I do go in and tweak with the performance tuning, I can get it up to a little over 1000MHz.  When I do, the BIOS also shows that speed in the CPU Configuration screen, and all the benchmarks indicate a slight tick up in performance.

 

And my son is marginally happier.

 

I honestly believe that it really is configuring itself for 800MHz because it doesn't know what speed its SUPPOSED to run at.  And I believe that when I tweak with the defaults and manage to bump it up, that the reported 1000MHz is correct.

 

What I think I *need* are the settings from a REAL M2N32 with a Phenom II x4 945 that is running at stock (or better even).

 

Also, clearly the M2N32 and the Phenom 945 *are* compatible.  They just don't seem to recognize each other.

 

I looked and looked for a CPUID readout of an M2N32/945 combo, but could not find one, after hours of searching.

 

Just because a chip and a board are "compatible" doesn't mean they are "optimum".

 

Although I haven't been able to find any BIOS settings for this combo running at stock, I *have* seen a TON of people who validated my exact combination: an M2N32 with Phenom 945 running at 800MHz.  I couldn't figure out why anyone would validate such a config, but now I have.

 

Recall, this isn't a Black Edition, so its possible it doesn't have everything unlocked it needs.

 

But as I explained, I CAN tweak it up a LITTLE before it becomes unstable.  But if I knew what the settings are for a stock config, even if I can't get it up to speed, I should at least then have a clue whether the non-BE version is tweakable in the M2N32 at all.

 

If not, I've already promised my son a new computer for his birthday next month, as he's waited a REAL long time for this, and I'm frankly beginning to doubt I can deliver.

 

Jim

 

(P.S. I'd still give anything to know why the CPU multiplier reads "x 4.0 ( 11 - 11 )" since of all the CPUZ readouts I've seen, I've never seen one like that with the parenthesized numbers)


Edited by jeb54321 - 5/3/16 at 4:19pm
    
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Her we go again with the same ordeal. smile.gif

Please take the time to review the discussion from the last 4 pages or so, there I posted the very same problem with my own combination of:
M2N32-SLi-Deluxe
Phenom II X4 965 3.4GHz


Conclusion:
- the mobo needs to have the latest bios;
- the CPU Configuration needs the following tweaks in the BIOS:
1) Core Voltage : 1.3500V (for stock 3.0GHz);
2) Standard Clock Speed: 150MHz; (this is calculated by me, nowhere in the internet I've found the manufacturer's value mad.gif )
2) CPU Multiplier : 20x; (this one I've managed to find on the internet, thus I've calculated the stock freq)
- Cool & Quiet needs to be disabled (but not also the cooling performance in the Hardware Monitoring Tab, where you can monitor the fan speeds; I recommend them set to Optimal);

From what I can remember until now, these changes are prequisites for the bloody thing to run.

Now comes the not-so-fun part, without which you absolutely cannot make your CPU run:
Install Phenom Msr Tweaker. Google it.

What steps I recommend:
1) Install CoreTemp;
2) Run it in Windows (it will probably show all cores to 800MHz);
3) Run PMT;
4) Set all 4 states to the parameters I've shown earlier (each core to 1.35V at 20x);
5) Enter the Service TAB;
6) Check the correctitude of the entered parameters (to match what I've said earlier);
7) Press APPLY!
8) Become mesmerized as you watch the numbers change to 3.0GHz.

Note that only this program can truly make the bloody CPU Work.

If it does help and you can get it running, keep tabs on the Temperature monitor. Note that if it stays at above 50'C in idle mode you need to replace the cooler.

I hope this helps !
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Jeb, althought the 945 should work out of the box,I'm going suggest you try pmt -http://phenommsrtweake.sourceforge.net/
Follow my instructions here-http://www.overclock.net/t/366989/official-asus-m2n-sli-and-m2n32-sli-club/10980_20#post_19071878
Use x15 for P0 .

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Use x15 for P0 .

Gyro

Have you found anywhere the stock parameters for this CPU ?
On a couple of links of the first page in google search I've read that it uses a 20x multiplier for 3.0GHz.

Can you point us to some veridical information ?

Thanks.
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Use x15 for P0 .

Gyro

Have you found anywhere the stock parameters for this CPU ?
On a couple of links of the first page in google search I've read that it uses a 20x multiplier for 3.0GHz.

Can you point us to some veridical information ?

Thanks.

All kinds of info on AMD cpus here - http://www.cpu-world.com/
All cpus that fit our boards have a reference clock/cpu frequency of 200,so you can take the stock speed of (eg 3.4 for 965, 3400mhz divided by 200= 17 multi),945 @ 3000mhz has multi of 15.

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Jeb, althought the 945 should work out of the box,I'm going suggest you try pmt -http://phenommsrtweake.sourceforge.net/
Follow my instructions here-http://www.overclock.net/t/366989/official-asus-m2n-sli-and-m2n32-sli-club/10980_20#post_19071878
Use x15 for P0 .

Gyro

 

GYRO!  GEORGELEUS!  

 

I can't say thank you enough!

 

TWO BIG WINS!!!  The Phenom Tweaker app did the trick!

 

And honestly, compared with the nightmare I had facing me trying to tweak the BIOS, that was practically painless!

 

When the system is under load, all four processors are running at:

 

    200.80 x 15.0 = 3012.07MHz
    
It throttles down to 1003.98MHz when idle, and generates 39C.

 

Unfortunately my Passmark benchmark trial expired, and I didn't think to run anything else beforehand.

 

But I ran Novabench and compared it to other 945s, and its improved CONSIDERABLY!

 

        Total   RAM     CPU     GPU     HW
Mine     980    151     384     425     20
Samp 1  1492     99     420     960     13
Samp 2  1482     98     420     948     16
Samp 3  1474     98     420     943     13
============
Average  988

 

I couldn't find my exact combo (945/GTX 750 ti) and RAM speed significantly skewed the cores.

 

So, comparing UNLIKE systems but with the same GPU:

 

        Total   GPU
Mine     980    425
Samp 1  1959    620
Samp 2  1957    914
Samp 3  1949    897

 

It appears that on the Novabench site they rotate out older (or perhaps even LESSER) configs, so base systems with my same GPU were all much faster than mine, and I think that accounted for some of the speed difference.

 

I researched "slow 750" and the two comments that sound like they were worth looking in to were to insure an adequate power supply and to check BIOS settings for the PCI Express bandwith.  

 

Someone also suggested that if the 750 is running hot, it might be throttling itself, but I don't think that's the case.

 

But the best news appears to be the temp! (at least, I think that's the best news).

 

The system idles at 39C, but after running Prime95 for three hours the peak temp was only 58C!

 

That tells me that, now that I am a pro-overclocker <cough>, there may be a little wiggle room for a few more cycles!

 

Also, I think increasing the voltage helped stabilize the system a LOT, as it seemed to crash randomly with my pathetic 1GHz settings previously.

 

And, this little experiment showed me what that odd display was in CPU-Z.  I still don't know exactly what it means, but essentially the 4X multiplier never changed, no matter what the second set of numbers were set to (the CPU multiplier).

 

So, its pretty clear to me, for whatever reason, none of the changes I made in the BIOS actually changed some fundamental aspect of the system which stayed at 4x of something or other.  I could have played around in the BIOS forever and never made any progress.

 

I still have some work to do.  But I was rewarded today by being told that the latency score for Forged Alliance Forever will no longer result in being "insta-kicked", and that a particular game that was simply not runnable before is now getting 60 FPS!

 

However fleeting, I think I can finally claim - well at least a partial - victory.  Now I'm being told that the new "blue" is a minimum of 16GB.  Fortunately I found a web site where I can download more RAM!  http://downloadmoreram.com/  

 

Thanks so VERY much for all your help!

 

This place is awesome!  :specool:

 

Jim

    
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Glad that pmt did the trick.

Good luck

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May your system long live!

Now, a few aspects before you get all cranky:
- try to stabilize the CPU Voltage to the lowest point where it's stable. If it works pefectly with 1.325V as it does with 1.350, set the first value. For better lifespan, the voltage needs to be as low as it can get.
- always monitor the CPU temperature. It should never reach 70'C. I'd be worried if it gets to 68 even.
I recommend AIDA 64, it has a very comprehensive stress test in the Benchmark section and there you can monitor the entire die temp, as well as each core's temp. You may be surprised to find out that the whole CPU temp can differ to as much as 10'C than the hottest core's.
- make sure your PSU is quality product, as you need as little ripple and volt noise as it can provide.
- try doing some wire management or get yourself a well vented case if the temps (CPU + Video Card) get out of hand. For the CPU I've provided the values, but for the GPU I think that a maximum of 80'C is in order if you'd like the video card to stay around for another couple of years. A maximum of 70'C even if you'd like to have it for longer.
(for example I customized my GTX770's fan to never let the GPU over 65'C, the noise isn't an issue for me)

Can you tell us something about your sistem, now that I've asked?
CASE, how many fans does your Xion have ?
CPU temps in full throttle ?
VIDEO CARD , Manufacturer and GPU Cooler Edition ?
PSU
RAM, brand, CL ?

Also keep in mind that for me at least, Arctic Silver 5 made wonders cooped with the Scythe Katana 3 (a cooler not recommended for the 125W Phenom). Using a Lancool PC-K58 case with 4 system fans I have absolutely no problem running my ***** at decent temps, but if this setup was to lie in a Delux system case, it would've probably bursted by now.

Cheers !
Edited by georgeleus - 5/9/16 at 2:36am
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I decided to upgrade my computer, but I have enough money for a full update.
Prompt whether to operate this equipment?
550W
Asus M2N-SLI
phenom 945
gtx750
RAM 8GB (2+2+2+2) DDR2 800 KVR800D2N6

I'm afraid that GPU will not work on m2n-sli.

Tell me some other good GPU smile.gif
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