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I've been wondering if the nforce 570 drivers from the nvidia website are any better than those in the Asus one. Has anyone tried to compare them?
I've heard (read) things about it, but can't remember for sure. The different versions are said to have different drawbacks, and vary between developers. Google it! I know I have before.
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I've heard (read) things about it, but can't remember for sure. The different versions are said to have different drawbacks, and vary between developers. Google it! I know I have before.
alright, I'll check it out later. If I find anything interesting I'll post it here.

On a side note, it's upgrade time for me once again and I'd like to ask your opinions about some new 4gb RAM options (2x2gb) I've been considering:

gskill pi -> 800-4-4-4-12: $85 (2.1v)
gskill pi black-> 800-4-4-4-12: $104 (1.9v)
gskill pi -> 1066-5-5-5-15:$115 (2.1v)
ocz reaper -> 1066-5-5-5-18:$115 (2.1v)

I'm asking here since I know 1066 support on these boards is sort of new and it might not be as good. Prices are really high in Argentina so those price tags are in fact rather cheap as far as I'm concerned .
which do you think would suit my board better?
Edited by thewebmaster179 - 6/4/09 at 8:07am
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alright, I'll check it out later. If I find anything interesting I'll post it here.

On a side note, it's upgrade time for me once again and I'd like to ask your opinions about some new 4gb RAM options (2x2gb) I've been considering:

gskill pi -> 800-4-4-4-12: $85 (2.1v)
gskill pi black-> 800-4-4-4-12: $104 (1.9v)
gskill pi -> 1066-5-5-5-15: $115 (2.1v)
ocz reaper -> 1066-5-5-5-18: $115 (2.1v)

I'm asking here since I know 1066 support on these boards is sort of new and it might not be as good. Prices are really high in Argentina so those price tags are in fact rather cheap as far as I'm concerned .
which do you think would suit my board better?

I have a question for you just a tad off your discussion. Do you run your x4 920 @ 3.6 all the time or was that just the fastest you could get it. I'm curious to see if the mobo will handle that overclock for extended periods of time w/out burning out...

Back to your question about ram... I'm not 100 % sure on this but you may be able to get the cheaper ram and then loosen the timings to run them at higher speeds. Say DDR800 at DDR1066, I have not tried this but if any one else has any experience w/this and cares to chime in by all means let us know.

Thank you,

N2G

EDIT: Another thing to consider, when you increase the size of your ram from 1Gig to 4 gig you will be stressing the memory controller a little more during Overclocking and that may be one of the problems that I had. I did have to RMA a mobo after using the x4 940 BE. ASUS took care of me and sent me a new mobo that sit's unused to this day... and that is why I asked if you run @ 3.6 all the time?
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I have a question for you just a tad off your discussion. Do you run your x4 920 @ 3.6 all the time or was that just the fastest you could get it. I'm curious to see if the mobo will handle that overclock for extended periods of time w/out burning out...

Back to your question about ram... I'm not 100 % sure on this but you may be able to get the cheaper ram and then loosen the timings to run them at higher speeds. Say DDR800 at DDR1066, I have not tried this but if any one else has any experience w/this and cares to chime in by all means let us know.

Thank you,

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EDIT: Another thing to consider, when you increase the size of your ram from 1Gig to 4 gig you will be stressing the memory controller a little more during Overclocking and that may be one of the problems that I had. I did have to RMA a mobo after using the x4 940 BE. ASUS took care of me and sent me a new mobo that sit's unused to this day... and that is why I asked if you run @ 3.6 all the time?
Actually, if you check my sig a little bit closer, you'll see it runs at 3.36 GHz, not 3.6.
Honestly I haven't even tried OCing this cpu. I just raised the htt speed by 20% and I didn't even try to touch the voltage, So I asume It can go quite further if I push it. I'll get back to you on that once I get around it.
Didn't know adding more GBs could break the mobo though, the idea kind of scares me...
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Thanks for correcting me on your OC. I looked at it and must have missed the 3 between the 3 & 6 .

Well for clarification, I was not trying to tell you that more ram will break the mobo, it's just that more ram stresses the ram controller on the cpu thus causing instability with higher overclocks. One thing I am going to try to look into is to see if bigger ram requires more voltage on the mobo. If so then I could see more ram generating more heat.

On a lighter note, 3.36MHz is not shabby at all...
Edited by N2Gaming - 6/4/09 at 11:17pm
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Thanks for correcting me on your OC. I looked at it and must have missed the 3 between the 3 & 6 .

Well for clarification, I was not trying to tell you that more ram will break the mobo, it's just that more ram stresses the ram controller on the cpu thus causing instability with higher overclocks. One I am going to try to look into is to see if bigger ram requires more voltage on the mobo. If so then I could see more ram generating more heat.

On a lighter note, 3.36MHz is not shabby at all...
actually, I've been thinking of increasing it to 3.4 just to avoid confusion .
I still find it surprising that you'd need to RMA your board because your mem controller got stressed out. You must have REALLY pushed it
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OK... I don't really know why the board decided to defect. Maybe it was tired of being pushed around like a communist In any case, I know that the mobo was running hot but for what reason I could not say. It very well could have just been a bad bios flash but the board was working and I pushed the oc several times and the board just started to deteriorate till one day it just would not work any more. I have been trying to research this atm and am not comming up w/any conclusive evidence or documentation backing up the bigger ram more stress on mobo theory. In any case I really don't think the ram caused my system to go bad but I was mearly trying to imply that the more ram you have the more stress it can put on a system. We have boards designed to run cpu's up to 125W. I was pushing my cpu w 2x2gig sticks in excess of 3.5GHz and something on the mobo was getting very hot. When you overclock your cpu you are increasing the amount of Watts required by the mobo to sustain that clock spd. So I was prolly running well over 125w and the board decided to crap out on me for one reason or another. I have not taken the time to try it again. The whole RMA process blows and I don't want to be a guiny pig again just to veryfy my fears...
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Whatever the case, you should only use 2 sticks of RAM. You should NOT need more than 2x2GB unless you are doing some hefty engineering workstation stuff. 4GB should be fine for coding, etc. (BTW, don't ever compile code on an OC that you aren't 99% sure is stable).

I digress. Using only two RAM slots on the mobo helps the controller to work more efficiently. I.E.: 2x2GB is better than 4x1GB, but both total 4GB.

Also worthy of note: it can be damn near impossible to get 1066 RAM speed working on the M2N boards. Higher RAM speed is still almost always better than tighter timings on lower RAM speed, but may be difficult to function correctly. I.E.: on my M2N32-SLI, if I set the speed to 1066, the computer would boot all ****ed up ONLY on the FIRST boot, then the system would crash, no settings would change AT ALL, and the thing would run FINE on 1066. [LoL]

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I digress. Using only two RAM slots on the mobo helps the controller to work more efficiently. I.E.: 2x2GB is better than 4x1GB, but both total 4GB.

Also worthy of note: it can be damn near impossible to get 1066 RAM speed working on the M2N boards.

Higher RAM speed is still almost always better than tighter timings on lower RAM speed, but may be difficult to function correctly. I.E.: on my M2N32-SLI, if I set the speed to 1066, the computer would boot all ****ed up ONLY on the FIRST boot, then the system would crash, no settings would change AT ALL, and the thing would run FINE on 1066. [LoL]

Hope this helps!
Slink is the Kuma CPU that your trying to run @ DDR1066 ram spd's made to run at those spd's?

Edit:

I was always under the impression that amd systems running w/tighter timings was prefered over higher frequencies and Intel was better at higher frequencies. I guess that would make for a good thread toppic. ( What is better tighter timings or higher frequencies ) Then users could post bench mark scores w/tighter timings or higher frequencies and cross compare the different scores between the two.
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gskill pi -> 800-4-4-4-12: $85 (2.1v)
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gskill pi -> 1066-5-5-5-15:$115 (2.1v)
ocz reaper -> 1066-5-5-5-18:$115 (2.1v)
Thewebmaster179, are you wanting to overclock this memory or just leave it at stock? The IC's most of the time determine what the memory is capable of. Right now it's kind of hard to say since the type of IC's range for each of these sticks. I believe the 2x2 kits come with Promos IC's but I'm not certain. The best way to find out would probably be to remove the heatsinks and check what the modules say...of course you can't do this until you receive the memory

Personally I'd go with the DDR2 1066 kits. That will give you some overclocking room if you're not able to run them at stock (1066).

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