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Originally Posted by copelander View Post
Hey Crash,

I was unable to raise my cpu multiplier past 15x... which is why I raised the FSB to 227mhz. Is that a difference between the M2N32-SLI Deluxe and my board which ISN'T the 32 version?
U havent cpu black edition (i have 940BE, u 945), only BE cpu have multipler unlocked
Doesnt depend on MB
At vantage, in performance, I do P14811 with my SLI OC and cpu stock..
Edited by crash01 - 10/28/10 at 7:53am
post #7352 of 12343
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Originally Posted by thrashbestos View Post
ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe, i have one of these and it just broke, any1 know where i could get another one?! thanks
There's an SLI Deluxe with 6400+ CPU and 3GB RAM on eBay UK atm:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=140469861606

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Originally Posted by drkidd22 View Post
... Does the windows version you use have to do anything with how the 3Dmark runs, say if you had 64-bit vs 32-bit OS.
Mine is running at about 5215 on the 3dmark test with windows xp pro 32-bit.
Nah, Windows 32/64bit version isn't an issue. You need better gfx to see a
decent score boost. I get 11762 with a Gigabyte 8800GT (same OS as you):

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=7303357

(or 11319 with an ASUS 8800GT; varies by model, GPU clock, etc.)

But of course without a quad-core there's a major CPU bottleneck for
using 2 cards SLI, so no surprise that 2 x ASUS 8800GTs only raised the
overall score to 12798:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=14264587

So, be careful with 3DMark06; the overall score is heavily CPU-dependent.
As a result, a 6000+ can't exploit the extra SM2.0 potential of 2 cards, so
three of the tests hardly changed at all, whereas the Canyon Flight test shot
up more than 50%.; ie. if your game/app is SM2-heavy, two cards won't
help much over one card unless the CPU is improved, whereas some
SM3-heavy apps will see a good boost from 2 cards even if the CPU is only
a dual-core.

Switching to a different platform (i7 860 4GHz) with the same cards,
the single-card result went up to 17211, with the individual tests increasing
by 30%, 30%, 8% and 20% respectively (again confirming how Canynon is
not CPU-bound); the dual-card score rose to 24770 which is actually higher
than a 4.1GHz i7 930 with a 800MHz GTX 460, but the details are more
complex then these numbers might imply - specifically, 3DMark06 will not
show the true potential of newer cards, or multiple cards, unless one runs
at high-res with higher detail; then the differences are stark. I've studied
these effects extensively; see my results pages:

http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/misc/pctests.html
http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/misc/stalkercopbench.txt

Note how the 4890 isn't able to show its real strength until it's running
at HD res & high detail - check the SUN test at HD res on the Stalker page,
though it still varies (8800GT SLI did better for the RAIN test).

I hope to run my own GTX 460 tests soon, including in my M2N32 system,
which should really show how much of a bottleneck a 6000+ is. Also,
and more importantly, older tests/games will not show that much of a
speedup with a newer card (thus the 460 results) because the performance
boosts in newer cards are aimed at newer features. Soon I'll run tests with
Unigine Heaven and X3TC which should show some more significant
differences; or to put it another way, despite what the 3DMark06 numbers
might imply (ie. 8800GT SLI ~= GTX 460), running something like Metro33
at HD res with high-detail would be fine on a 460 but it'd probably suck
on two 8800GTs. Flip side of that: running older games/apps on a newer
card while sticking a lowish res (1280 or less) will not give much of a speed
boost over an older card.


Overall, if you want to get the most out of 3DMark06, always compare
the individual test results (Proxycon, Firefly, Canyon and Freeze) - never
rely on the overall score (the final scores are fun for benchmarking
bragging rights, but of little use when making a purchasing decision).
And it can help to run the Feature tests aswell because they can assist in
locating shader bottlenecks, etc.


I have numerous 8800GTs for sale btw, eg. Gigabyte Zalman Type A for
40 UKP + shipping, or a Palit XpertVision 8800GT for 35 + shipping.
Happy to benchmark these if required.

And just to confirm consistency, here's an entirely different PC I built
for my neighbour & his family, different mbd (ASUS M2N-VM-DVI),
6000+, ASUS 8800GT, result was 11297 (CPU/gfx both at stock speed):

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=13891731


Hope this helps!

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i recently Purchased Amd Phenom II X4 965BE to install it to my m2n32 sli deluxe , with the bios upgraded to Version 5002 .i have read in many forums with visual proof that this processor works great with this board, and the problem i am facing here is that im not able to get the full clock speed, it shows that each core is running at 800 mhz at 4x multiplier in cpu z, but in bios it shows it is running at 3.4 ghz at 17 x multiplier. some one help me on step by step procedure on how to get it work. i also tried using nvidia system tools with all latest drivers installed, and also in system tools under performance- device settings the cpu frequency shows 3.417 mhz at 17 x multiplier with buz at 201 mhz.and i save the profile as "boot.nsu", and under profile policies i load the profile and select the "boot..nsu" and when i click on accept i get this dialogue box as " a value of this rule has not been set. clikc the underlined portion of the rule below'take these actions' to set a value" i want this to wok on my system very badle some one give me a step by stem instruction.. and yea i use nvidia quadro fx4600 768 mb workstation graphics card, could it be because of this that im notable to make it work in nvidia tools???
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i recently Purchased Amd Phenom II X4 965BE to install it to my m2n32 sli deluxe , with the bios upgraded to Version 5002 .i have read in many forums with visual proof that this processor works great with this board, and the problem i am facing here is that im not able to get the full clock speed, it shows that each core is running at 800 mhz at 4x multiplier in cpu z, but in bios it shows it is running at 3.4 ghz at 17 x multiplier. some one help me on step by step procedure on how to get it work. i also tried using nvidia system tools with all latest drivers installed, and also in system tools under performance- device settings the cpu frequency shows 3.417 mhz at 17 x multiplier with buz at 201 mhz.and i save the profile as "boot.nsu", and under profile policies i load the profile and select the "boot..nsu" and when i click on accept i get this dialogue box as " a value of this rule has not been set. clikc the underlined portion of the rule below'take these actions' to set a value" i want this to wok on my system very badle some one give me a step by stem instruction.. and yea i use nvidia quadro fx4600 768 mb workstation graphics card, could it be because of this that im notable to make it work in nvidia tools???
post #7356 of 12343
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Originally Posted by manojkumar.nk25 View Post
i recently Purchased Amd Phenom II X4 965BE to install it to my m2n32 sli deluxe , with the bios upgraded to Version 5002 .i have read in many forums with visual proof that this processor works great with this board, and the problem i am facing here is that im not able to get the full clock speed, it shows that each core is running at 800 mhz at 4x multiplier in cpu z, but in bios it shows it is running at 3.4 ghz at 17 x multiplier. some one help me on step by step procedure on how to get it work. i also tried using nvidia system tools with all latest drivers installed, and also in system tools under performance- device settings the cpu frequency shows 3.417 mhz at 17 x multiplier with buz at 201 mhz.and i save the profile as "boot.nsu", and under profile policies i load the profile and select the "boot..nsu" and when i click on accept i get this dialogue box as " a value of this rule has not been set. clikc the underlined portion of the rule below'take these actions' to set a value" i want this to wok on my system very badle some one give me a step by stem instruction.. and yea i use nvidia quadro fx4600 768 mb workstation graphics card, could it be because of this that im notable to make it work in nvidia tools???
Everything you have done so far is correct,but
Make sure cool and quiet and C1E are disabled in the bios and disable all windows power saving options, then set power options to performance.


See if that helps

Good luck

Gyro

And could you post a couple of screenshots of the dialog boxes you are referring to. Thanks
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post #7357 of 12343
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Originally Posted by mapesdhs View Post
Nah, Windows 32/64bit version isn't an issue. You need better gfx to see a
decent score boost. I get 11762 with a Gigabyte 8800GT (same OS as you):

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=7303357

(or 11319 with an ASUS 8800GT; varies by model, GPU clock, etc.)

But of course without a quad-core there's a major CPU bottleneck for
using 2 cards SLI, so no surprise that 2 x ASUS 8800GTs only raised the
overall score to 12798:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=14264587

So, be careful with 3DMark06; the overall score is heavily CPU-dependent.
As a result, a 6000+ can't exploit the extra SM2.0 potential of 2 cards, so
three of the tests hardly changed at all, whereas the Canyon Flight test shot
up more than 50%.; ie. if your game/app is SM2-heavy, two cards won't
help much over one card unless the CPU is improved, whereas some
SM3-heavy apps will see a good boost from 2 cards even if the CPU is only
a dual-core.

Switching to a different platform (i7 860 4GHz) with the same cards,
the single-card result went up to 17211, with the individual tests increasing
by 30%, 30%, 8% and 20% respectively (again confirming how Canynon is
not CPU-bound); the dual-card score rose to 24770 which is actually higher
than a 4.1GHz i7 930 with a 800MHz GTX 460, but the details are more
complex then these numbers might imply - specifically, 3DMark06 will not
show the true potential of newer cards, or multiple cards, unless one runs
at high-res with higher detail; then the differences are stark. I've studied
these effects extensively; see my results pages:

http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/misc/pctests.html
http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/misc/stalkercopbench.txt

Note how the 4890 isn't able to show its real strength until it's running
at HD res & high detail - check the SUN test at HD res on the Stalker page,
though it still varies (8800GT SLI did better for the RAIN test).

I hope to run my own GTX 460 tests soon, including in my M2N32 system,
which should really show how much of a bottleneck a 6000+ is. Also,
and more importantly, older tests/games will not show that much of a
speedup with a newer card (thus the 460 results) because the performance
boosts in newer cards are aimed at newer features. Soon I'll run tests with
Unigine Heaven and X3TC which should show some more significant
differences; or to put it another way, despite what the 3DMark06 numbers
might imply (ie. 8800GT SLI ~= GTX 460), running something like Metro33
at HD res with high-detail would be fine on a 460 but it'd probably suck
on two 8800GTs. Flip side of that: running older games/apps on a newer
card while sticking a lowish res (1280 or less) will not give much of a speed
boost over an older card.


Overall, if you want to get the most out of 3DMark06, always compare
the individual test results (Proxycon, Firefly, Canyon and Freeze) - never
rely on the overall score (the final scores are fun for benchmarking
bragging rights, but of little use when making a purchasing decision).
And it can help to run the Feature tests aswell because they can assist in
locating shader bottlenecks, etc.


I have numerous 8800GTs for sale btw, eg. Gigabyte Zalman Type A for
40 UKP + shipping, or a Palit XpertVision 8800GT for 35 + shipping.
Happy to benchmark these if required.

And just to confirm consistency, here's an entirely different PC I built
for my neighbour & his family, different mbd (ASUS M2N-VM-DVI),
6000+, ASUS 8800GT, result was 11297 (CPU/gfx both at stock speed):

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=13891731


Hope this helps!

Ian.
That's some really help full info there, thanks a lot, looked at your tests and it's all very informative.

I just upgraded the CPU to the Quad core and will upgrade a few more things on it, so that I'm not too behind from current technology, but at the same time I want to be able to use the parts I get with future motherboards in case I upgrade that too.

I had bought the AM2+ 940BE, but I'm returning it to get the AM3 945 so if I decide to change the motherboard later on. I'm planing on getting a 10000RPM HDD and a new video card (Maybe PCIe 2.0 since it's ok to use with the x16 I have now) with HDMI and DVI since I have 26" LCD and 19" LCD as well.

Maybe something like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16814121383R
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Hey DR. I'd have to concur with YOU that MAPES knows his/her stuff. That was a really good explanation and totally jibes with what I've encountered. That also explains why CRASH's 3dmark06 scores with SLI 8800gt's with the 940 are nearly the same as mine... with the SLI GTX275's. In fact his SM 2.0 score is a few hundred higher than mine I believe, but I own him on the SM 3.0 score and CPU score. (CRASH, if you're reading this, you never re-posted your 3dmark score after overclock)
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Hey DR. I'd have to concur with YOU that MAPES knows his/her stuff. That was a really good explanation and totally jibes with what I've encountered. That also explains why CRASH's 3dmark06 scores with SLI 8800gt's with the 940 are nearly the same as mine... with the SLI GTX275's. In fact his SM 2.0 score is a few hundred higher than mine I believe, but I own him on the SM 3.0 score and CPU score. (CRASH, if you're reading this, you never re-posted your 3dmark score after overclock)
I havent done 3dmark after overclock, i will do monday (when back from holidays )
My result is near at result of my friend with i5 750 + zotac 460
U had physx on?
post #7360 of 12343
When I OC the 8600GT using rivatunner it helps a little on the 3dmark, but I think I should be way over 5K on the score with the setup I have, maybe that's my main flaw, the video card, it's like 4 yrs old or something too. Plus I belive the 8600GT I have is only directx 9 installed, maybe I should get direcx10 as well.
Edited by drkidd22 - 10/29/10 at 4:52am
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