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Set your ram at AUTO for everything, then reboot. Check your ram timings in CPUID and Bios. Mine BSOD if i change to 4-4-4-12-1T but the default runs fine @ 5-5-5-5-18-2T

Dram Frequency 420 Mhz
FSB: DRAM 1:2
CAS# Latency (CL) 5.0 Clocks
RAS# TO CAS# Delay (tRCD) 5 Clocks
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 5 Clocks
Cycle Time (tRAS) 18 Clocks
Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 23 Clocks
Command Rate (CR) 2T

As for the guy wanting a CPU, i have an AMD Athlon 4800+ with a brand new phenom CPU fan if you want ( am in the UK though)
Thx, i will try asap
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Oops, Phenom II x4 970 has 2 revision (C3 and E0), which of the two runs on M2n32sli?
HDZ970FBK4DGM revision C3 (Codename Deneb) or HDZ970FBK4DGR revision E0 (codename Zosma)?
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Oops, Phenom II x4 970 has 2 revision (C3 and E0), which of the two runs on M2n32sli?
HDZ970FBK4DGM revision C3 (Codename Deneb) or HDZ970FBK4DGR revision E0 (codename Zosma)?
The C3 version. The E0 version is probably a thuban with two disabled cores.
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The C3 version. The E0 version is probably a thuban with two disabled cores.
Agreed ^.

The C3 will probably be most compatible w/the M2N series mobo's between the two revisions but I'd still like to know if the E0 is just as capable on the M2N mobo's. Hint Hint

How ever any one considering the migration to AM3 may want to keep in mind that the integrated ram controllers on the AM3 rev: E0 is better than those of the C3 just like the C3 rev: is better than C2. The ram controllers usually get better and faster w/each revision.


Hope this helps people make the right decision when considering all the possible choices.
Edited by N2Gaming - 12/17/10 at 12:39pm
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Valuable feedback. Thank you.

I know that benchmarking is a very broad subject, but how do you quantify general improved performance in daily usage. I will discount gaming here because my X1900GT needs to be replaced anyway. So, things like iTunes and media trans-coding are some of the tasks I use this machine mostly for. Just curious.

By way of comparison, when I look at just moving from my 4200+ to the 965BE, the windows experience index went from 5.0 to 7.4. And iTunes loading a 1.25TB library is much snappier.
I mostly use Linux so the typical applications that I use probably different than yours. Anyway, I have experimented with memory speed & timings to see if it is worth the extra voltage my memory needs to be able to run at a little higher speed or with tighter timings. I have come to the conclusion that it really isn't worth it: even highly demanding applications does not seem to benefit much from the the extra bandwidth or lower latency.

You might still want to experiment with your RAM settings though. With some combinations of RAM/CPU/motherboard the defaults settings are far from optimal and if you have patience you might be able to figure out settings that are much better.
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You might still want to experiment with your RAM settings though. With some combinations of RAM/CPU/motherboard the defaults settings are far from optimal and if you have patience you might be able to figure out settings that are much better.
I set out to follow the instructions found here. http://www.overclock.net/amd-general...ml#post3559197

Is the Nvidia control panel useful for the purpose of finding that sweet spot (there are controls for HT bus speed) instead of going through BIOS to make the changes and rebooting? I'm also using Prime95 as the verification tool.

I've read several references of running the HT bus core speed upwards of 300MHz. That is a major step in how fast the motherboard works. I'm trying to figure out if it is possible to run the motherboard and the CPU both overclocked together.

As an example, setting the HT Bus to 250MHz with a 4X multiplier in conjunction with running the CPU at a higher frequency. Is this a reasonable expectation using an AM3 processor like the 965BE in our board?
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I mostly use Linux so the typical applications that I use probably different than yours.
I originally built 3 of these rigs "for work"
too... a 32 bit vista / xp dual boot at home and 2 vista 64s with maxram in the office (for flash and video encoding, general "worky stuff", and for playing with LAN server setups (feeding into 30 ish classrooms in 2 physical structures)
infinite soundcard and 64bit incombatibility problems and general vista woes at the time led to one of the 2 at work going into early retirement with seemingly incurable BSOD, odd memory quirks, graphics card nightmares, incompetent colleague "cures" etc, etc
seemed they had a lot of wasted potential...

Been a silent but devout fan of this thread for some time... at least since discovering the bios update that FINALLY unlocked my first gen Phenom which allowed me to think about overclocking enough to trade in my 9x gen nvidia card for a 260 gtx (calibre) sli setup, which of course called for a massive new psu (950w corsair), and in turn a solution to the cpu bottleneck they brought on.
This string and the comminty, generally, have been a source of infinite wisdom already... I got my old phenom up from 1100Mhz stock to 2.4 ghz+ effortlessly and was instantly hooked- the massive cpu bottleneck I'd set myself eased off, but even at stock settings my gpus (hence mobo) were running ungodly hot and with miserly framerates for my expectations.
Before you say I'm a total dumbass for not going ati for low temp graphic cards, let me explain I got addicted to 3d gaming even with dumb red -blue glasses using nvidia discovery to play total war, coh, dow arma, hl, crysis, etc with abhorrent framerates on my old rig, ang took the plunge to go real 3d buying first the cards, then the specs and 120 fps monitor... so amd/ati wasn't an option on my destop while I've blown through 4 or 5 hp amd ati , ati-pentium, intel-nvidia laptops and tablets in the meantime.
Now to make my long story short- i just ordered an haf 932 case to put me back in the game with decent cooling and popped a big dissipator onto the old phenom to see how long it takes me to fry it waiting for a 95w 955 processor to land in my lap.
Hedging my bets, i have a cart loaded with the 95 w 945 rev c ... and a thermalright archon cooler (over the corsair h70 newby liquid gadget i'm still secretly lusting for so i can say i water-cool!)... still pondering sli shaman gpu coolers to match (maybe "too pimped"?-can those or spitfires squeeze onto this board, maybe having to mess with fan positions (push 2x heat-pull???) which should leave me a fairly low cost oc monster to play with and zero risk factor on an unsupported cpu (125wBE 965,970 "and beyond"?)...
I'm on the 5001 bios already, and my ears are ringing with both a zillion sob stories of the mysterious .8Ghz "i bought the wrong 945" board owners everywhere else i turn, and of course with voices and echoes of pending? wiz's? 955 95w release? or new bios, or both...
and I think...
damn, I laid out a bunch of pc cash already this year... that rog mobo and an i5-760 wouldn-t cost THAT much more... do I want to give amd one more shot despite headache and sleep deprivation or cuddle myself with the easy way out?

Obviously i didn't drop the i5+rog or sabretooth mobo into the cart, so it looks like i already made THAT decision (reading's better here on the "darkside", anyway!)...
did I also just talk myself into a beefier 125w p2 that can oc to smoke stock i5s, too?

Those stock comparison charts put such a gleam in my eye already, and the 4 plus ghz "only limited by temps"
... makes me want to order the 945c and the 970be!
"just in case"
I guess my question is 2 fold...
A) this rig sounding worthy with the 45, or will i keep bottlenecking or stuttering in games like metro or dirt2 (got both "just 'cos"... both too hard to run maxed, but neither particularly worth the trouble)?
and B) is there such a performance (fps, I mean) difference between the two in OC and the i5/i7 cards in "real life" (LoL-ok "virtual real life") and not just on benchmarking (I know already the pure numbers are the REAL turnon, all said and done... i just want to finally get some buff framerates to smoke in arma2 on this particular update)
If anyone's got experience with a couple numbers i could aim for on these 3 builds,they'd really let me sleep better
;-)
short of that, a "I'll walk ya through the build bios if you screw the pooch" would make me jump for the 965/970/975 recommended
- ps I'm in Europe so anybody got lowest price links in euro for the card(s) without the stock heating I'm planning to use as a paperweight, anyway? Took me forever to track down only one 945 95 w, already.

THANKS to any and all advice... I know you guys all thrive on the challenge!
ps - using the processor update to finally get over my lazies in moving up to win7 on this rig, too - so what can I do for mem in 64 win7 I couldn't on the xp partition it was built for?
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I set out to follow the instructions found here. http://www.overclock.net/amd-general...ml#post3559197

Is the Nvidia control panel useful for the purpose of finding that sweet spot (there are controls for HT bus speed) instead of going through BIOS to make the changes and rebooting? I'm also using Prime95 as the verification tool.
You could try clockgen too, it is not nearly as big and clumsy as Nvidias software.
In my experience Prime95 does not stress the CPU enough. Use OCCT instead.

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I've read several references of running the HT bus core speed upwards of 300MHz. That is a major step in how fast the motherboard works. I'm trying to figure out if it is possible to run the motherboard and the CPU both overclocked together.
Any M2N32 board should be capable of at least 300MHz HT reference clock, although it varies between individual boards (One my boards is capable of 400MHz, another board board I own struggles with anything beyond 300Mhz).

What your really want to find is a balance between overclocking the CPU cores, the NB/IMC/L3 cache and the memory. As we cannot adjust the NB/IMC multiplier on the M2N* boards and the NB voltage setting doesn't seem to do anything this is a bit trickier than on it is on AM2+ or AM3 boards.


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As an example, setting the HT Bus to 250MHz with a 4X multiplier in conjunction with running the CPU at a higher frequency. Is this a reasonable expectation using an AM3 processor like the 965BE in our board?
You should be able to go beyond what you mention above.
The max total HT frequency also varies greatly between boards (my best board is capable of around 1600MHz, my worst 1250-1300), so you don't really need to focus on keeping the total HT frequency around 1000MHz.
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Hi, i`m new. I`m from Slovak. Sorry for my english. I have M2m32SLI DeLuxe, bios rev. 5002, AMD Phenom II X4 955 C3 Black Edition Box. I also install CPU-Z, new drivers for Motheboard and for graphic card from nvidia.com. In nVidia Control panel, when i click on the Device Settings, in the first second, i thing when PC read the settings is this window:


After 1 second when is all reload is this window:


I can`t change the CPU Core Multiplier
Second problem is with my USB keyboard in first seconds after start PC. I can`t use the keyboard, it is not possible to take the bios settings, and SLI Ready Memory DETECTING too longer - myabe 30 seconds.
And before when I have Athlon X64 memory is DUAL CHANELL now with X4 955 is UNGANGED. How I take the Dual Chanell performance???
THANKS FOR ALL.
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Hi, i`m new. I`m from Slovak. Sorry for my english. I have M2m32SLI DeLuxe, bios rev. 5002, AMD Phenom II X4 955 C3 Black Edition Box. I also install CPU-Z, new drivers for Motheboard and for graphic card from nvidia.com. In nVidia Control panel, when i click on the Device Settings, in the first second, i thing when PC read the settings is this window:


After 1 second when is all reload is this window:


I can`t change the CPU Core Multiplier
Second problem is with my USB keyboard in first seconds after start PC. I can`t use the keyboard, it is not possible to take the bios settings, and SLI Ready Memory DETECTING too longer - myabe 30 seconds.
And before when I have Athlon X64 memory is DUAL CHANELL now with X4 955 is UNGANGED. How I take the Dual Chanell performance???
THANKS FOR ALL.
make sure to change cpu voltage to 1.35 and ai tuning to manual and set your multiplier in "the bios" to 16 for 3.2ghz. then the multiplier drop down will show up. as for the usb keyboard not working, you just need a ps/2 keyboard and make sure numlock is on, disable cool and quiet and c1e in bios as well. make sure your power management is also on high
Edited by kakasensei - 12/18/10 at 7:14am
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