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I'll push a little more to see where it quits, but already I feel better.
Woot!!! Made it to 300MHz. To reach that, I had to drop the FSB DRAM ratio to 1:1.

With ram set to DDR2 667, I could get HTref to about 280, but dropping to DDR2 400 I could push up to 300MHz. Now I'm comfortable that the board is somewhat "normal".
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1.35V made no difference. Frankly, this BIOS setting made no discernible difference on the 270 limit.

Again, I do want to thank you all for your guidance. It was a good effort with this hardware.

I have one additional experiment I can run using the original 0.5x2 AMPX modules. Instead of booting into Win7, I'll boot into XP, but it will still give me another data-point on whether or not the IMC is failing itself or if it really is the DRAM that is holding the FSB back.

C
If you are trying to reach 300 FSB then you need to keep in mind every overclock is not going to be the same and there are many factors that are involoved in the equation when it comes to achieving a specific goal and several tricks that we can try to obtain our goals should always be tried before we exhaust our efforts.

1st and formost is knowing that our hardware is not defective in any way which is why I'm sure Gyro suggested running ram test's w/memtest86+ w/your system at all stock values. Having a stout PSU is also a must as well as knowing that there are no defecting componants on our system.

2nd if you know your ram is good at stock values then what does your Ram do when your System & Ram is overclocked? If the Ram throws out errors while your system is overclocked in the memtest86+ application then you know why you are not able to achieve your goal. At that point you would need to consider many options of which a few, many or all tricks can play a big part in obtaining your goal of 300 FSB.

Expamples fo tricks to overclocking:

Have you tried to use the other ram slots for stablity. Some times when we only use 2 sticks of Ram "certain mobo's have better slots for higher and more stable FSB clocks than others" we can gain higher FSB clocks by uing the other open/available slots.

Have you tried to use just one stick of ram individually in each slot to find out if there is a lucky slot that will allow you higher FSB clocks over the others? when doing this keep in mind all of your Ram. One ram stick might be a better overclocker than your others, especially when dealing w/non Overclocing/Enthusiast labled Ram sticks.

Some things you can try is to reduce your system stress at boot. By this I mean unplug any unnecessary hardware like your CD/DVD drive and turn off any unused ports in your bios. The less stress you have on your mobo the easier in theory it should be for your OS to boot into windows.

These little tricks seldomly give us hellatious FSB gains but can at times produce just enough when we are pushing our system to it's limits to help determine what the weak link is. By unplugging or turning off ports such as USB, Paralell, Serial, Nic etc etc and not usiing specific hardware we can rule out uncapatabilities that can happen between hardware. Although this phenomenon rarely happens these days w/the newer hardware it's always possible. Your Value select Corsair comes to mind
Overclocking is an artform and may people jump into it thining Oh I can do this no problem. Then after they blow up a system or two they tell every one not to overclock because you'll break your system. Knowledge is power "litereally"

Edit: I have had a few of my M2N32 Mobo's up to 320-340 FSB w/o any problems. This is why I originally said it is a cake walk. I mean this mobo is a 8+2 phase design one of if not the very first of it's kind. Now days companies like MSI try to duplicate this hardware design w/digital 8+ phase designs but it's not the same IMO.

Good luck getting your 300 FSB stable.

N2G
Edited by N2Gaming - 1/18/11 at 11:17am
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Edit: I have had a few of my M2N32 Mobo's up to 320-340 FSB w/o any problems. This is why I originally said it is a cake walk. I mean this mobo is a 8+2 phase design one of if not the very first of it's kind. Now days companies like MSI try to duplicate this hardware design w/digital 8+ phase designs but it's not the same IMO.

Good luck getting your 300 FSB stable.

N2G
I did not account for the importance of the RAM when I went into this, so my bad. Do you think putting heat spreaders on the Corsair will help it reach further or is that too much wishful thinking?

I have to say from the little I've interacted with the system running at 300, it definitely feels much snappier even without pushing the CPU.

For those of you that have achieved a stable 300MHz FSB, do you normally run your systems up there as a matter of course? I assume so because otherwise it was just a brief science experiment.

Thanks,
C
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Ive been following this thread for a bit now. Man y'all are making me want to tear into this BIOS again to push the FSB.

Is there any real advantage to that for me vs my multi OC? I hear it makes a big difference on the Phenom II's.
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Ive been following this thread for a bit now. Man y'all are making me want to tear into this BIOS again to push the FSB.

Is there any real advantage to that for me vs my multi OC? I hear it makes a big difference on the Phenom II's.
Lucky, I only look at this from the point of view of balancing the overall system for performance. If the M2N32 can run faster and match speeds with CPU and RAM better, the overall system will perform better. Better as measured from seat of the pants perspective.

Unfortunately in my case it will require a modest investment to get RAM that is more overclockable (if that's a word) so I can run my Windows 7 64-bit image, and then to see if the system will stand up to everything I throw at it.

I'd still like to hear from others if they're running their systems up in this nose-bleed section as a matter of course. For instance, any known reliability concerns for the hardware. At least with the 965BE, I know that AMD rates the processor to run up to 1.5V and I'm not at this particular limit.

Cheers,
C
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I did not account for the importance of the RAM when I went into this, so my bad. Do you think putting heat spreaders on the Corsair will help it reach further or is that too much wishful thinking?

I have to say from the little I've interacted with the system running at 300, it definitely feels much snappier even without pushing the CPU.

For those of you that have achieved a stable 300MHz FSB, do you normally run your systems up there as a matter of course? I assume so because otherwise it was just a brief science experiment.

Thanks,
C
You are always welcome and I am always eager to help people that are willing to listen and learn. Even though it's not so easy to do at times when one is a noob. Not that you are but you get what I'm saying

Heat spreaders will help any ram stay cool. You could experiment by making some heat spreaders by the use of plastic from a milk jug. cut out enough pieces"prolly 4 to the size of your ram sticks to be used as at flat pannel. Then take some heavy duty Reynolds "or what ever is available" Aluminum foil and glue it to the plastic pieces. so that it maintains a flat surface to the plastic sheets. Only use the plastic if it is completely flat and the Aluminum foil will adhear to the plastic sheets as slim and flat as possible. You could also double or tripple your foil sheets or even use some alluminum from a soda or beer can to get an even thicker aluminim heat spreader.

Please keep in mind though that this is just for experimental purposes and what you do to your hardware you do at your own risk. So you can only hold your self responsible.

Moving on. Then you can apply some tim to the aluminum "just enough" to make a good contact w/the RAM chips and sinch them up on the surfaces that have chips w/rubber bands or some type of clamping system. You can also place a fan over the heat spreaders to help keep them cool. Additionally you could add watter coolers to the ram and to answer your question in a nut shell. YES HEAT SPREADERS COULD HELP. Most heat spreaders are there to help dissapate heat as you already know but you should also keep in mind some RAM regardless don't like to OC no mater how many volts you jolt them with which is why there is a need for heat spreaders in the first place.

It all comes down to the IC's on the RAM sticks. You don't have heat spreaders on your ram. this will make it easier for you can read the chips on the ram and go seek advice as to what is the best overclocks those can achieve and as to what is the max voltages you should be able to push through them before you electromigrate and kill the chips. Several people have been able to cook and freez ram to bring it back to life. I never dabled in that extreme or goofy ars solution but just thought I'd throw it out there.

The more you know the easier it gets but then the more you get hooked into it. Some times it's best to just reach a personal goal, pat your self on the back and walk away from overclocking as it can get very very I mean SUPER DUPER ADDICTING!

Lastly you want to remember to keep the WHQL in mind. Some ram and other hardware don't play as well w/one system like it could, will or does w/others Thats' just the nature of computers.


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Ive been following this thread for a bit now. Man y'all are making me want to tear into this BIOS again to push the FSB.

Is there any real advantage to that for me vs my multi OC? I hear it makes a big difference on the Phenom II's.
You should try to OC your system via FSB due to the lack of CPU Voltage adjustments. How ever you could circumvent all those voltage limitations by using K10Stat

BTW guys K10Stat is also a very good tool to use in place of CnQ so that you can downclock your system, cpu cores spd and amount of cores to run period.

You all should give it a shot.
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BTW guys K10Stat is also a very good tool to use in place of CnQ so that you can downclock your system, cpu cores spd and amount of cores to run period.

You all should give it a shot.
Ok. I did notice that that a reason for this tool was indeed power management. The beauty of CnQ was that it was dynamic in the way it handled on demand need for more speed by increasing Vcore with CPU clock. But even a manual method wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

I'm not sure why you say the 5002 BIOS doesn't support altering the voltage on the IMC interface. To me it looks like it does and Gyro agrees. Am I misunderstanding something here?

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I'll have to look at my bios again. I'm not sure the bios allows the IMC voltage to be adjusted though I could be wrong. It would not be the first time LOL
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Think of ref clock ocing as Non-restrictor plate racing at Talladega. ZOOM ZOOM

Although mentioned quite a few times by N2G I don't recall any one with a 955/965/970 ever trying K10stat or PhenomMsrtweaker as an alternative to the nvtools.


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Think of ref clock ocing as Non-restrictor plate racing at Talladega. ZOOM ZOOM

Although mentioned quite a few times by N2G I don't recall any one with a 955/965/970 ever trying K10stat or PhenomMsrtweaker as an alternative to the nvtools.
In a way it's a shame I didn't learn this sooner. The reality of the situation is one needs a CPU that has the multiplier unlocked and thus decoupled from HTref so both knobs can be turned independently, so in the end I would still have had to buy my 965BE to get to see this for myself. I agree that to run the M2N32 up at 300MHz is quite exhilarating. I don't have a lot of experience OCing, but the most I could ever do on Intel P4 systems was low double digits if memory serves but never with any reliability. Reality was more like 5-8%. The M2N32 can be jacked 50% and more. That's pretty darn impressive.

As for the tools, I have run K10stat to see what it does in Win7, although I didn't try modifying any of the voltages. It would have been nice, and I didn't see this, to have the tool come up and reflect the actual value that the NB voltage was set to in BIOS and then let you modify from there. Vcore looked to be a greyed out option. I have to run it under XP to see if there are any feature differences.
I can tell you that NVtools has some minor differences that I could see. Network monitoring was one notable item lacking in system monitor.

Cheers,
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